i would like some info on this 19T turbo that volvo has. sounds like an upgrade i want to have, but i want to know all about it.
who makes it?
is it ball bearing?
how or where do you get it from?
is it made from 2 different turbos?
can i buy it from somewhere?
what car does it come on?
whats the minimum and maximum boost it can produce? etc.
any and all info would be welcomed.
thanks
TIPSP
03-02-2009, 07:10 PM
Check out VIVA Preformance (Click Here (http://www.vivaperformance.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=78_85&products_id=93)). ~$850.
Check out this (PDF (http://hem.passagen.se/lahi/turbo/TD04.pdf?k)). Here is a good site (http://www.stealth316.com/2-turboguide.htm).
Mitsubishi makes it. I believe it is a journal bearing turbine.
I would think it can easily boost 25psi.
S70driver
03-03-2009, 03:11 AM
1. Viva Performance or the dealership sells them. I am sure you can find them elsewhere on the web too.
2. 2000 V70R AWD came with the 19T standard. By the way it is an angled flange on this model.
http://www.quickbrickmotorsports.com/prod_dpflange_list.htm
3. While this is an UPGRADE. You may want to think about other mods to go with it. Rods, Pistons, Injectors, Intercooler upgrade (FMIC would be best), Etc...
4. Mitshubishi makes this turbo.
5. Might hold 25 PSI, but I wouldn't push that much, especially if you don't have other supporting mods like stated above.
PANTYEATR
03-03-2009, 07:32 PM
so, what turbo is on the HPT C70?
is it the same as the LPT, just pushing more boost?
i just want to know what a good upgrade would be once i built my 3" exhaust
S70driver
03-04-2009, 06:09 AM
1. Viva Performance or the dealership sells them. I am sure you can find them elsewhere on the web too.
2. 2000 V70R AWD came with the 19T standard. By the way it is an angled flange on this model.
http://www.quickbrickmotorsports.com/prod_dpflange_list.htm
3. While this is an UPGRADE. You may want to think about other mods to go with it. Rods, Pistons, Injectors, Intercooler upgrade (FMIC would be best), Etc...
4. Mitshubishi makes this turbo.
5. Might hold 25 PSI, but I wouldn't push that much, especially if you don't have other supporting mods like stated above.
*People when someone posts links in a response please click on them and view them as they may have more information your looking for. I don't post links for my health, I do it to help you and others like you. Same reason I have the Volvo Forums Resoucres Thread linked in my signature, so it is easily viewed.
A good upgrade would be the 16T turbo. Yes it isn't that much bigger then the 13g, but it can hold boost at slightly higher levels 15-17 PSI better then the 13g can. Unless you want to do other supporting mods a 19T isn't your friend. Your going to blow something. Yeah you could run less boost on it, but why do that when a 16T can do the same job for less. If you do go 19T then do the supporting mods I suggested above.
Here are some visuals below.
13g
http://i1.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/16/09/0172_1.JPG
http://i22.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/16/09/0115_1.JPG
http://i13.ebayimg.com/03/i/001/16/09/023f_1.JPG
http://i20.ebayimg.com/05/i/001/16/09/02e7_1.JPG
wow thanks S70, that was very informative. i think i'll go with the 16T when i can and run like 13-15psi.
it's really hard to drive and build your car at the same time, so i really don't want to go inside the engine just yet. i will only do bolt-ons for now.
i wonder if i can get a ball bearing version of the 16T, that would be ideal.
kurtdaniel
09-19-2009, 01:59 AM
i learned much there too s70..tnx..I also found a relative article on truxedo (http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/shop_brands/truxedo.html) and I want to compare the two..
gilber33
09-19-2009, 09:14 AM
People do run the 19T with stock internals and have had no problems. It's not the fact that the 19T boosts so much it's how fast it spools and that's when you get bent rods. I think it's kinda pointless to put a 19T on stock internals because then you have to be careful and watch yourself so you don't do internal damage, you wouldn't even be able to fully enjoy the turbo. Go with a 16T, especially if you have a 13G on there right now, it will be a whole new car.
At the same time though, if you have the LPT model, then you have the 2.4L engine, and those aren't built to handle the same amount of power as the 2.3's. So if that's the case, I would do some research to make sure your not risking anything.
imhereftw
09-20-2009, 07:44 PM
s70, or anyone for that matter no where I find similar information for s80's... can't seem to find it on quick bricks.
gilber33
09-20-2009, 10:39 PM
Similar information about what? Turbos?
imhereftw
09-21-2009, 06:14 PM
Correct
gilber33
09-21-2009, 07:00 PM
What model is your S80? The turbo information will be fairly the same. Although I don't know of anybody who has done turbo upgrades on an S80, but I guess there's a first for everything.
TIPSP
09-21-2009, 11:53 PM
I believe it is a twin turbo??
S70driver
09-22-2009, 06:19 AM
I didn't make that chart I just posted information I had. I iddn't have s80 info. I am sure it is out there.
After doing a quick 30 second or less search I came upon this Wikipedia page. Take the info for what it is worth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_S80
Engines
Year Model Displacement Engine Fuel Power Torque
1998 – 2006 2.4 (140) 2435 cc I5 Petrol 103 kW (140 PS; 138 hp) 220 N·m (162 ft·lbf)
1998 – 2006 2.4 2435 cc I5 Petrol 125 kW (170 PS; 168 hp) 225 N·m (166 ft·lbf)
2000 – 2006 2.0T 1984 cc LPT I5 Petrol (132 kW (180 PS; 178 hp) 280 N·m (207 ft·lbf)
1998 – 2003 2.4T 2435 cc LPT I5 Petrol 147 kW (200 PS; 197 hp) 285 N·m (236 ft·lbf)
2003 – 2006 2.5T 2521 cc LPT I5 Petrol 155 kW (211 PS; 208 hp) 320 N·m (236 ft·lbf)
1998 – 2001 2.9 2922 cc I6 Petrol 150 kW (204 PS; 201 hp) 280 N·m (207 ft·lbf)
1991 – 2004 2.9 2922 cc I6 Petrol 144 kW (196 PS; 193 hp) 280 N·m (207 ft·lbf)
1998 – 2001 T6 2783 cc twin-turbo I6 Petrol 200 kW (272 PS; 268 hp) 380 N·m (280 ft·lbf)
2001 – 2006 T6 2922 cc twin-turbo I6 Petrol 200 kW (272 PS; 268 hp) 380 N·m (280 ft·lbf)
1998 – 2001 TDI (Audi engine) 2460 cc turbocharged I5 Diesel 102 kW (139 PS; 137 hp) 280 N·m (206 ft·lbf)
2001 – 2006 2.4D 2401 cc turbocharged common rail I5 Diesel 96 kW (131 PS; 129 hp) 280 N·m (206 ft·lbf)
2001 – 2006 D5 2401 cc turbocharged common rail I5 Diesel 120 kW (163 PS; 161 hp) 340 N·m (250 ft·lbf)
Engines
Year Model Displacement Engine Fuel Power Torque CO2 emissions/km
2006- V8 4414 cc V8 Petrol 232 kW (315 PS; 311 hp) 440 N·m (320 lb·ft)
2006- 3.2 3192 cc I6 Petrol 175 kW (238 PS; 235 hp) 320 N·m (240 lb·ft)
2008- T6 2953 cc I6 Petrol 210 kW (285 PS; 281 hp) 400 N·m (300 lb·ft)
2006-2009 2.5T 2521 cc LPT I5 Petrol 147 kW (200 PS; 197 hp) 300 N·m (220 lb·ft)
2008-2009 2.5FT 2521 cc LPT I5 E85/Petrol FlexiFuel 147 kW (200 PS; 197 hp) 300 N·m (220 lb·ft)
2008-2009 2.0 1999 cc I4 Petrol 107 kW (145 PS; 143 hp) 185 N·m (136 lb·ft)
2008-2009 2.0F 1999 cc I4 E85/Petrol FlexiFuel 107 kW (145 PS; 143 hp) 185 N·m (136 lb·ft)
2009- 2.0 1999 cc I4 Petrol 107 kW (145 PS; 143 hp) 190 N·m (140 lb·ft)
2009- 2.0F 1999 cc I4 E85/Petrol FlexiFuel 107 kW (145 PS; 143 hp) 190 N·m (140 lb·ft)
2009- D5 2400 cc twin-turbocharged common rail I5 Diesel 151 kW (205 PS; 202 hp) 420 N·m (310 lb·ft)
2009- 2.4D 2400 cc turbocharged common rail I5 Diesel 129 kW (175 PS; 173 hp) 420 N·m (310 lb·ft)
2006-2009 D5 2400 cc turbocharged common rail I5 Diesel 136 kW (185 PS; 182 hp) 400 N·m (300 lb·ft)
2006-2009 2.4D 2400 cc turbocharged common rail I5 Diesel 120 kW (163 PS; 161 hp) 340 N·m (250 lb·ft)
2008- 2.0D 1997 cc turbocharged common rail I4 Diesel 100 kW (136 PS; 134 hp) 320 N·m (240 lb·ft)
2009- 1.6D DRIVe 1560 cc turbocharged common rail I4 Diesel 80 kW (109 PS; 107 hp) 240 N·m (180 lb·ft) 129g
2009- 2.5T 2521 cc LPT I5 Petrol 170 kW (231 PS; 228 hp) 340 N·m (250 lb·ft)
2009- 2.5FT 2521 cc LPT I5 E85/Petrol FlexiFuel 170 kW (231 PS; 228 hp) 340 N·m (250 lb·ft)
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It might be possible that the T6 (Twin Turbo) model is running (2) 12b turbo's. Not sure on that.
imhereftw
09-23-2009, 09:18 AM
Thanks s70 and unfortunately I'm only running a single turbo and gilber I'm sure there have been turbo upgrades to bi turboed s80's but I doubt the 2.5t's haha.
gilber33
09-23-2009, 06:29 PM
I doubt there's been much upgrades to the S80 T6. The turbos, if what S70 said, is correct are two 12B's, which is smaller than what's on the LPT cars. So if you wanted to upgrade turbos, first, if the larger turbos can fit in what looks to be an already crowded engine bay, If the stock internals can handle it and if the turbos will still spool up the same, and then an engine tune. That's just my guess. On a 2.5T it is already an LPT turbo, so it's probably a 13G, so there is some room for upgrade, go up to a 15g or 16T, but I have no idea how well "plug and play" the S80's are.
imhereftw
09-24-2009, 09:17 PM
Yeah that's true, I'll have to ask around a little bit but there are certainly other upgrades I could/should do before considering this. Just wanted to know for future reference, thanks
gilber33
09-25-2009, 06:27 AM
You might have some more luck asking around on Volvospeed. I know there are a couple guys that had modded their S80s. Looking at IPD though there isn't too much in the line for upgrades for the S80. I think if you really want to upgrade it, the best thing you could do is throw on a 15G or 16T and do an ECU flash. That looks like besides suspension upgrades that's really all there is for the S80, everything else would have to be custom.
julie20099
10-11-2009, 11:16 PM
your going to need a new ECU, upsolute has maps to run with both those turbos. you can use the 'blue' injectors out of hte V70R but i dont think its really necessary. boost is boost if your running 15psi, however using hte larger turbo is a more efficient compressor map at 15psi and basically it will run cooler and more steady. Go with the 19T its larger, also cheaper b/c of more widespread use.
ALso seriously consider an intercooler upgrade, this alone could possibly give you significant HP gain especially with the 16t(which at 15psi is running closer to max efficiency)
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Typhoon
11-02-2009, 04:22 PM
Actually, a larger turbo does not and will not spool faster, and this is not what causes damage.
A larger turbo will push more air AT THE SAME RPESSURE than a smaller turbo. And as we all know, more air + more fuel = more powah/torque. More powah/torque = more load on engine internals. A larger turbo will also allow the engine to rev higher before going out of it's efficiency range, and again we hit the more air + fuel thing.
Ball bearing turbos look great on paper, but in teh real world, offer little except significant additional expense for no real gain. They are really for racing where that last little bit of performance is needed.
Having said that though, I've always thought a Toyota ceramic, ball bearing turbo would be a nice thing to try, they are very cheap used.
Regards, Andrew.
washdup
11-20-2009, 02:51 PM
Another issue: the 19T came on cars with the newer version of the Motronic engine management system better able to control the timing/fuel/boost parameters needed to safely run the 19T. The older ECUs found on 1998 and earlier cars (might be 1999) are not as able to address those parameters, which heightens the risk of engine failure when upgrading to a 19T.
gilber33
11-24-2009, 07:26 AM
Why would anyone run the 19T on a stock tune? Is it even possible? You have to get larger injectors for the turbo and once you do injectors your supposed to get a tune.
S70driver
01-29-2010, 06:33 AM
Why? Because people are stupid and thing all you need is the turbo and your good to go.
Is it possible? I am going to say, YES it is. Why? Because I bet for a short time it will run fine. Until you really boost it and blow a rod.
Not only should you get bigger injectors... But you should also do a full 3" mandrel bent Turboback exhaust system, FMIC & Intake upgrades and then get your tune to take into account all the things you have upgraded to take full advantage of the turbo and the other mods you did.
gilber33
01-29-2010, 10:30 AM
Why? Because people are stupid and thing all you need is the turbo and your good to go.
Is it possible? I am going to say, YES it is. Why? Because I bet for a short time it will run fine. Until you really boost it and blow a rod.
Not only should you get bigger injectors... But you should also do a full 3" mandrel bent Turboback exhaust system, FMIC & Intake upgrades and then get your tune to take into account all the things you have upgraded to take full advantage of the turbo and the other mods you did.
I totally agree. You could run a 19T on stock everything, I would be scared to even touch the gas pedal though. I have decided that I'm going to run a 19T on my build, but that 19T is paired with larger injectors, exhaust, fmic, intake, silicone lines/hoses, and I would say most importantly with the 19T an EBC and a proper tune.
franklin123
01-30-2010, 05:07 AM
I really don't want to go inside the engine just yet. i will only do bolt-ons for now.
S70driver
01-31-2010, 02:33 PM
gilber33 please add T-Bolt clamps to your list. Regular hose clamps just wont cut it.
gilber33
02-01-2010, 10:15 AM
You betcha, I'll be eliminating all "load bearing" worm clamps.