Volvo Forums - Photo Galleries - Create an Account

Go Back   Volvo Forums - Volvo Enthusiasts Forum > Volvo Vehicles > Volvo 850

Welcome to Volvo Forums!
Welcome to Volvo Forums,

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, at no cost, you will have access to start new topics, reply to conversations, privately message other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, join Volvo Forums today!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 12-26-2006, 10:25 PM
Miatamon Miatamon is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 40
Default N00b here....some maintenance questions

Hey everyone! Looks like a great, authoritative and mature forum ya'll got going on here. I'm a member at the Miata.net forums and have nearly 5,000 posts over there....check my homepage if you want to see my Miata.

Anyway, to the point -- my dear sister is in some trying times both financially and emotionally and she has moved back in with my mother. I have taken the task upon myself to ensure that at least her car, an 850 T5 ('97 I think...) is running well so she does not have to spend money on costly repairs. I want to do the preventative maintenance for her. I'm no stranger to mechanical work in general, or on cars. I'm a prototype machinist andI have always done all the work on my own cars.

I have just spent several hours reading the forums to see what should be done. The car is VERY nice, both in and out runs great, and is a hoot to drive. It's a different drive than my nimble small Miata, but fun in a different way. It has 157,xxx miles on it.

Anyway, she recently bought it from a lady who must have taken very good care of it, but I want to ensure there are no costly failures in the future. Unlike my Miata, this car does have an interference engine design so my priority is timing belt information.

Looks like the interval is at 70,000 miles. I think she said the lady who sold her the car just hada major service done before purchase....so I need to find out if the T-belt was changed. If I can't find out, I'm changing it. The change looks WAY easier than the one on my Miata (fewer removed parts), though very similar in sequence. Any hickups to worry about?

Here are some areas I would like more information on:

Best online parts suppliers? I checked FPCGroton and they look good and have decent looking prices. Not much more than Japanese stuff seems to cost for my Miata. Any others?

Obviously, anything else you can tell me about the timing belt.

What the hell is up with the "air pump" system? What does it do?

Why does the PVC system look so complicated? Is this for the turbo?

What oil is reccomended for the T5? I see that 10w-30 Synth (I use Mobil 1 in the Miata) is spoken of 'round here...I don't want to open an oil can of worms (as always happens with oil discussions), so just a general reccomendation please.

What other maintenance things should I look into? My priorities right now are:
-T-belt/water pump (just like my Miata, you should do them at the same time...same labor to get to)
-cooling system
-turbo system
-brakes
-possibly front suspension if time/money warrants

Oh, and the windshield sprayer doesn't work. I read on the forums there is a check valve or something in the hose T that can fail....ways to check it?

Thank you very much!
This ad is not displayed to registered members.
Register your free account today and become a member on VolvoForum!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-27-2006, 04:42 AM
JPN's Avatar
JPN JPN is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: New England/Midwest/Japan
Posts: 5,107
Default RE: N00b here....some maintenance questions

GENERAL MAINTENANCE ITEMS FOR VOLVO 850:


TIMING BELT:
I do mine at every 60,000 miles/5 years (1993 models do require replacement at every 50,000 miles due to narrower belt). I change it more frequently than is recommended, because the belt is cheap but the engine is not. If the previous owner had left a logbook (maintenance record), great, but if no, then it is not a bad idea to replace it. Try visually inspectingthe beltby removing one 12mm bolt that is holding the belt cover and wiggle it upward.Pay attention to the roots of each cog for cracking.

REQUIRED PARTS:
1. Timing Belt (Continental, German OEM)
*2. Idler Pulley (Continental, German OEM)
*3. Tensioner Pulley (Continental, German OEM)
*4. Hydraulic Tensioner Cylinder (Febi/Aisin, German)
**5. Water Pump (Genuine Volvo or German Hepu, I used Hepu)

Items 1-3 come in one package of kit. 4 & 5 must be bought separately.
* I replace these items at every other belt change.
**The water pump rarely needs replacement, unless it is leaking.

Haynes Manual & the following would be sufficient as instructions:
http://www.volvospeed.com/Repair/timingbelt.htm

PCV SYSTEM:
If engine oilkeeps seeping out from oil filler cap, seals, and seams on the engine, you may want to replace the entire *PCV components (oil trap, flame trap, rubber hoses & clamps, etc...). You will also need a new intake manifold gasket, as the manifold has to be disconnected to get to the PCV components.

* Turbo & Non-turbo engines use different PCV components, so make sure to check the type of your engine, as well as the vehicle & engine VIN before buying parts.

OIL/FUEL RECOMMENDATION:
Oil/fuel selection is a personal preference. I would usefull synthetic10W-30 with OEM filter (MANN, Germany/Argentina) for turbo, regular or synthetic-blend for NA. I try to avoid 5W-30 for turbocharged engine, but the difference might be negligible. As for fuel, I use 91/higher Octane rating, but some people use 87 and have no problem as the ECU retards ignition timing IAW different grade fuel. If you notice knocking, however, switch to 91 or higher.

COOLING SYSTEM:
1.All rubber hoses with new clamps.
2. Thermostat & seal ring.
3. Expansion reservoir tank cap (The new version is GREEN).
4.Coolant (50/50 mixture should do for most North America,but certain locationsmay require 55/45).
5. Expansion reservoir, only if it's leaking.
6. Heater core, if it is leaking.

When filling the coolant, fill up to FULL mark only for the first time, when the engine is cold. If filled up to FULL mark at cold later, coolant will overflow. I usually fill it at about 1 inch above the MIN mark. After coolant replacement and a few minutes of driving, youwill see "low coolant level" warning on the dash.When this happens, park as soon as you can and refill the reservoir. Do this by placing a wet rag on the cap and turn the cap slowly to relieve pressure. Also, try doing this before the engine has reached normal operating temp to avoid burns.

TURBOCHARGER:
You may want to check for oil leak from oil drain line and oil cooler lines. If leak is found, replace O-rings, seals and gaskets. Small leak under the turbocharger is normal. Idle the engine for 1-2 minutes after hard driving.

BRAKES:
Brakes on 850 are straightforward, here arethe parts you will need:

GENERAL:
*1. DOT-4 Fluid (I use ATE Super Blue/Amber Racing).
2. Silicone-based grease or CV-joint grease for anti-squeak purpose.
3. A can or 2 of brake cleaner spray.
4. Large C-clamp or 10WR Vise-grip to push back the piston.
5. Sandpaper to clean rusty spots (use oil/WD-40 for sanding).
*I used Motive Products One-person bleeder and flushed the system by myself. Available at FCP Groton/Motive Products.

FRONT:
1. New rotors (Brembo, Zimmermann, ATE or any OEM).
2. New pads (Genuine Volvo, Textar (OEM) orany high-quality ceramic pads).
3. Synthetic grease for slider pins (The pins are hex (allen) bolts).
4. New caliper bracket bolts.
5. Bungee cord to hang the caliper.
*If calipers look too worn, you may want to buy rebuilt calipers loaded with OEM pads.

REAR:
1. Rotor (same as above)
2. Pads (same as above, I used Roulands-Dan Block OEM pads)
3. New caliper bolts.
4. New hardware (Retainer springs & pins).
5. New shims (half-size shims are highly recommended to stop squeak).

Notes on ABS Module (Electronic Control Unit):
The ABS module on 850 is noted for failure. For 1996~1997 models, there are quite a few places where they can repair & upgrade the module, for approximately $100. However, for 1995 and older models, there does not seem like anyone who provide such services; you would have to repair it on your own. However, the failure often seems to be due to cracked soldering on the circuit board, especially the ones for the connectors, so if you can use soldering iron and can solder electronic components, it is well within DIYer’s capability to repair the module. Also, when soldering electronic components, do the job as quickly as you can, since many electronic devices are vulnerable to heat. Refer to the following thread:
http://www.volvoforums.com/m_58856/tm.htm

FRONT SUSPENSION:
1. Upper mount (bearing) with new nuts x 3 each side (total of 6 nuts).
2. Upper springseat (notorious for wearing out & causing clunking noise).
3. Bump stop for strut
4. Special washer for strut
5. Top cap for strut
6. New bolts & nuts for strut lower attachment.
7. Ball joint/control arm with new nuts & bolts (Newer models cannot replace ball joint alone).
8. Sway bar (stabilizer) link rods (new parts should come with new lock nuts).
9. Struts (only if the car rolls too much or the car keeps bouncing after hitting bumps, but the ride & handling will improve noticeably for a car with 100,000+ miles). Either OEM Sachs or Bilstein Touring is good. Bilstein Heavy Duty seemsa bit too firm. Koni Adjustable seems to have good reputation too, as you can adjust the damping rate.

REAR SUSPENSION:
1. Shocks (Sachs, Bilstein Touring or Koni Adjustable)
2. Upper shock mounts
3. New lock nuts

WINDSHIELD WASHER:
Replace the following items:
1. T-valve (hidden behind the hood liner, but easy to get to it).
2. Squirters (upgraded version available at FCP Groton).
3. In-line filter (located by the washer filler neck).
4. T-valve for headlight washers.
5. New wiper blades for windshield & headlights.

AIR CONDITIONING:
LikeABS module, A/C on 850 is noted for failure. Often the failure is either at the compressor or the evaporator. If the compressor keeps turning ON&OFF, the first thing to do is to check for correct system pressure. If low, the system needs to be recharged with R134a, NOT R-12. If the system cannot hold correct pressure, it may be leaking at the evaporator. Replacement of evaporator on 850 is difficult, as the unit is located in the deepest abyss in the dash. As for compressor trouble, it may need to be re-shimmed or replaced with a rebuilt/new unit. http://www.volvoforums.com/m_34431/tm.htm

[IMG]local://upfiles/6892/CA752F7E83B34E23897ED6D0E32DB529.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]local://upfiles/6892/479477AF46CF4F46A68547C44F6FEE42.jpg[/IMG]
__________________
1994 854 Turbo T5, AW50-42LE
B5234T OBD-II Compatible

FAA-Airframe & Powerplant Ratings
FCC-General Radiotelephone Operator
Technical Translator (English-Japanese)
Lisenced HAZMAT Specialist, 4 Ratings

American at Heart
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-27-2006, 10:58 AM
JimKW's Avatar
JimKW JimKW is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 3,177
Default RE: N00b here....some maintenance questions

Wow great list Mr. JPN! We should have that list pinned to the top.

Some notes: I have never replaced the Water Pump on any of my Volvo's and I have been driving them since 1985 (five different cars). Not saying you shouldn't, but they are not known to go bad.

I use nothing but 10W30 oil. I run 87 octane most of the time, but occasionally run 91 or 89. I see no difference whatsoever running different octane levels.

On the rear brakes on the 97 make sure you get a set of half shims and use OEM pads. I did my rear brakes and we could not figure out where the vibration was coming from. At low speeds it sounded like a subwoofer in the rear. Put on the half shims and problem solved.

If the timing belt has been done recently, which I would expect that would be the case at 161K on a well maintained car it should not need to be done again. Look for a sticker with a mileage and date on the cover that goes over the belt.

Wonder if the evaporator has been changed? They are known to go bad and expensive to replace! Just spent $1200 having mine done.

Don't know if the 850 Turbo has the Air Pump problem or not. Problem on my 98 V70 GLT with the low pressure turbo, I know that. It's stupid to pump fresh air into the exhaust for 30 seconds for cleaner exhaust, and costs $500 to fix it.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-27-2006, 11:53 AM
Miatamon Miatamon is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 40
Default RE: N00b here....some maintenance questions

Cool guys, thanks. As soon as I get some decent weather and daylight to goof around with hercar, I'll look for a sticker on the t-belt cover and ask if she got any records with the car. Otherwise, it all sounds very straightforward. Thanks!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-27-2006, 01:45 PM
JPN's Avatar
JPN JPN is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: New England/Midwest/Japan
Posts: 5,107
Default RE: N00b here....some maintenance questions

ROUTINE TUNE-UP ITEMS:
1. *Spark Plugs (Genuine Volvo, Bosch Platinum +4/Iridium, Champion (Turbo: RC7GYC/NA: RC9YC or Bosch FR6DC), NGK Platinum/Iridium, etc...). It seems best to go with genuine Volvo plugs.

2. Plug Wires (French Bougicord is the OEM).

3. Distributor Cap & Rotor (Bosch is the OEM).

4. Air Filter (MANN is the OEM).

5. Fuel Filter (Bosch is the OEM).

6. Pour a large bottle of Techron fuel system cleaner or equivalent into the fuel tank & fill up
with fuel. Drive until the tank is near empty.

7. Clean/service PCV system (different for turbo/non-turbo, as well as vehicle & engine VIN).

8. Cleaning the throttle body (Not sure about the service interval).

9. Serpentine Accessory Drive Belt (Continental Tech is the OEM). Longer belt is recommended.

10. Clean/inspect/replace EGR valve.

11. Tyre Rotation (watch out for the rotation direction arrow on the sidewall).

12. Exterior/Interior Light Bulbs.

13. Checking for Transmission Fluid Level & Condition (should be clear red and no burnt smell).

14. Checking for Power Steering Fluid Level.

15. Checking for Brake Fluid Level (replace once every 3 years for maximum safety).

16. Checking for Coolant Level (should not be at MAX mark when cold, it has to be about the middle between MAX & MIN). Should you decide to replace coolant, use high-quality coolant and avoid cheap/generic brands. I use Prestone, as Volvo genuine coolant was $20/gallon. 50:50 will suffice for most regions, but colder regions may require 55/45 or 60/40.

17. Checking for the Condition of Battery (Do multimeter test & S.G test).

18. Retrieving & reseting codes in the ECUs ('96-'97 requires OBD-II scanner or Volvo tester).

The above replacement items have different intervals, some may need replacing soon, some can be deferred until later. Also, it may not be a bad idea to do the alignment, if there is no servicing record. However, if the car runs straight with the hands off the steering, it probably is ok and can be deferred until later. Check for unequal tread wear oneach tyre.

If the alternator is original, I personally would replace it asap. Even though many alternators on 850's last a very long time, mine failed at 130,000 miles/12 years, and safety factor concerned, 100,000 miles/10 years is about the life for the original alternator. Replace it with a rebuilt/new Bosch (I recommend rebuilt Bosch with lifetime warranty; I got mine from Pep-Boys, about $220). If the alternator dies while you're driving, you will lose power assistance to the steering & brakes. Since Volvo's are very heavy, much effort is required to navigate the car without the engine running.

SMOKE CHART:
Here's a quick chart for the colour of smoke from the tail pipe:
Blue: Burning engine oil.
White: Normal water vapour, or coolant is entering the combustion chamber (should have coolant odor).
Dark gray/Black: A/F mixture too rich, fuel/emissions control problem or time for a good tune-up. Also, diesel engines sometimes put out black smoke and it's normal for them.
Other colours: Improper additives in the fuel/oil, or just a poor quality fuel.

HOW TO CHECK FOR TRANSMISSION FLUID LEVEL:
1. Drive your car for 15-20 minutes. This allows the fluid to reach normal operating temp.

2. Park your car with the engine running, set the parking brake fully and chock wheels.

3. With your foot firmly on the brake pedal, go through each "detent" of the shifter, starting from "P", and stay in each gear for 4-5 seconds. The sequence is: P-R-N-D-3-L-3-D-N-R-P.

4. Open the hood, pull out the transmission fluid dipstick, wipe clean with lint-free cloth (NEVER get even a tiny piece of foreign object fall into the dipstick tube).

5. Insert the dipstick, then pull it out again. If the fluid level is correct, it should be within the "HOT" mark orbetween 2 lines. There may be 2 different level marks on each side of the dipstick, and you want to use the "HOT" or "Warm" side, whichever shows higher level. When you do this, be careful not to burn yourself as there are some hot engine components around the dipstick.

If the fluid is low, add just enough fluid to bring the level up to "HOT" or between the 2 lines. Do not overfill. Add fluid through the dipstick tube; a funnel with extension hose is very helpful for adding fluid. There are a few different transmission fluids available, and the one specified for 850 is "Dexron-III/Mercon".A quart is about $2-$4. There are many brands, but as long as the label on the bottle says "Dexron-III/Mercon", you can use any name-brand's product.

Lastly, the old adage "You get what you pay for" absolutely applies to maintaining Volvo, so when it comes to parts, you want to go with OEM or of higher quality. For complex problems, it pays to go to Volvo dealer/shops that specialise in Swedish/European cars, even though they charge more than other average town garages. Have an ASE Master Technician service your car.

*Note on Spark Plugs:
Bosch Platinum +2 seems to have poor reputation, though I myself never had trouble with them. For turbo (B5234T), Champion RC7GYC is specified, whereas Bosch FR6DC/Champion RC9YC is specified for non-turbo (B5254S?) IAW the factory manual. The easiest way is to buy genuine Volvo; Turbo $32 (approx)/NA $13 (approx).

Platinum & Iridium plugs are pre-gapped andre-gapping is generally unnecessary. If re-gapped, the centre/ground electrode may be damaged. Some peoplehave beengapping platinum/iridium plugs successfully, but they have the required experience and know how to avoid damaging the electrodes. If you do not feel comfortable, leave it as is, but if you are confident, gapping may help engine performance.

Never drop a plug onto the floor/ground. Platinum/Iridium plugs generally do not require cleaning, as they are designed to self-clean, and are generally good for 60,000 miles/100,000kms. Upon installation, apply anti-seize compound on top few threads (closer to the hex), hand-tighten (extension bar may be used) until tight, then tighten an additional 1/4 turn for gasket-type or 1/8-1/16 turn for non-gasket type, or use a torque wrench to specified torque. Refer to a service manual for specific procedure for your engine. Replace plugs only when the engine is stone-cold.

Some selections at FCP Groton & eEuroparts:
http://www.fcpgroton.com/volvo850tuneup.htm
http://www.eeuroparts.com/searchresu...6&cat=1010(adjust search criteria for your model)


JPN

P.S: I added a sample of my personal maintenance record (the last page of the previous 2 that you find above) FYR.

[IMG]local://upfiles/6892/BF58981ED89145D695A72963BE5E251B.jpg[/IMG]
__________________
1994 854 Turbo T5, AW50-42LE
B5234T OBD-II Compatible

FAA-Airframe & Powerplant Ratings
FCC-General Radiotelephone Operator
Technical Translator (English-Japanese)
Lisenced HAZMAT Specialist, 4 Ratings

American at Heart
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-27-2006, 03:16 PM
RedTurbo850 RedTurbo850 is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location:
Posts: 1,184
Default RE: N00b here....some maintenance questions

How can I remove the service light? And what does this mean?

According to the manual, it's only an indicator and it goes on every 5k miles. So something is not necessarily wrong...
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-27-2006, 03:46 PM
JimKW's Avatar
JimKW JimKW is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 3,177
Default RE: N00b here....some maintenance questions

That is correct.

You can turn the Sevice Light out via the ODB-II port, but it takes a higher price scanner than what I have. Mine comes on every time I start the car on both my cars. I play a game to see how far I can get before the light goes out. It's always out within the first two miles. If there is traffic I only make it to the stop sign at the end of the street I live on. I guess I'm easily entertained.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-27-2006, 04:56 PM
Miatamon Miatamon is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 40
Default RE: N00b here....some maintenance questions

Yeah, her service light comes on when first driving the car....I'm not sure for what. I don't have an OBD-II scanner, my car is OBD-I. >_<
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-27-2006, 07:06 PM
RedTurbo850 RedTurbo850 is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location:
Posts: 1,184
Default RE: N00b here....some maintenance questions

Quote:
ORIGINAL: JimKW

That is correct.

You can turn the Sevice Light out via the ODB-II port, but it takes a higher price scanner than what I have. Mine comes on every time I start the car on both my cars. I play a game to see how far I can get before the light goes out. It's always out within the first two miles. If there is traffic I only make it to the stop sign at the end of the street I live on. I guess I'm easily entertained.
According to the online manual, it's 2 minutes.

Miata, you don't have OBD-II? It's located right by your shifter in the center console area....

Will a dealer wipe this clean for free? Because this is really annoying. I went to Checkers today and they didn't have the right head to wipe it.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-28-2006, 10:03 AM
JimKW's Avatar
JimKW JimKW is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 3,177
Default RE: N00b here....some maintenance questions

Will a dealer do it for free? That's funny.

If your car is 96 or 97 it's ODB-II. Year 95 was a split year so some are and some aren't and they have both ports in the car.
__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
cleaning, hose, light, maintainance, notice, pcv, removing, s70, sequence, service, system, throttle, turn, unit, volvo, washer, windshield, xc90


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Advertising
Featured Sponsors
Vendor Directory
New Sponsors

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:51 PM.

© Internet Brands, Inc.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. Ford® is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.