Ecm no longer activating main relay

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Old 12-31-2016, 03:56 PM
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the ICU uses the small signal pulses from the hall sensor, then computes the ignition timing advance based on engine operating conditions, and fires the coil.
 
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Yes but im trying to figure out if both wires on the clips on the coil or just one gives it its charge to then be broken down by the hall effect. The red/white wire ends up on one terminal of the coil and the blue wire that caries the pulse from the hall sensor and leads to the icu is also attached to the blue wire on the power stage. Are both the blue and red wire from the power stage suppose to feed the coil at once is my question before i check that.
 
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Old 01-01-2017, 08:07 PM
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the blue wire to the power stage and coil is +12V power when the ignition is switched on. the red/white wire is grounded by the power stage to fire the coil.

the hall effect sensor outputs a very low level signal, which the ICU amplifies, then adjusts the timing by calculating when to fire the spark.
 
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Old 01-03-2017, 08:18 AM
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Check supply to ignition coil and power stage {k1}

Switch on ignition. Measure voltage between ignition coil terminal 15 and ground. Voltmeter reading should be approx. 12 V.

If voltage = 0 V: Open-circuit in lead from central electric unit (fusebox)
White to ground: 1.63
Blue to ground: 12.83

Check ignition coil primary winding and leads

Measure resistance between terminals 1 and 4 and power unit connector.

Reading should be 0.6-0.9 ohm.

Other reading: Ignition coil faulty or short circuit in leads.

Measure directly between ignition coil terminals 1 and 15.

If resistance is correct (0.6-0.9 ohm): Fault in lead between ignition coil and connector.

If resistance is incorrect: Replace ignition coil.
Terminal 1 + 4: 0.9 ohm
Ohms between coil side terminals i got down to 0.01 but for unclear reasons the resistance in the old could and new coil that was never used was to high in the tower to terminal test. I dont know why the new one is now bad.. Resistance between 1 and 4 was too high at power stage with and without coil. Not sure when 1 and 4 on power stage intercept.

Check power stage ground lead

Measure resistance between connector terminal 2 and ground. Resistance should be 0 ohm.

If reading is different: Check lead (see wiring diagram). Ground terminal is on intake manifold.
Terminal 2 + ground: 0.01
 
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Old 01-03-2017, 08:21 AM
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Check signal from control unit to power stage

Disconnect leads from ignition coil terminal 1 (red/white) and 15 (blue).

Measure voltage between terminal 5 in power stage connector and ground. Operate starter motor. Voltage should indicate approx. 2 V.

No Reading: See page 176. Reconnect coil leads.

Reconnect power stage connector.

Undo distributor connector. Switch on ignition. Use voltmeter to measure voltage between positive terminal (red lead) and ground. Reading should be approx. 11 V.

Also measure voltage between terminal 0 (blue lead) and ground. Correct reading: 5 V.
Blue wire: 7.3 or 7.5 volts
Red wire: 12 v
Terminal 5: 002 (not 2.00)

Check Hall generator {k9}

Disconnect white/red and blue leads from ignition coil (to prevent arcing damage).

Measure voltage between terminal 24 at rear of connector (blue lead) and ground. NOTE: Connector must be attached to control unit.

Switch on ignition. Turn crankshaft by hand. Voltmeter should indicate over 1.8 V each time a vane passes Hall generator.

Instrument should read approx. 0 (0-0.7 V) each time an opening passes Hall generator.

Correct voltage: Less than 0.7 V or more than 1.8 V.

Switch off ignition and disconnect voltmeter.

Other voltage: Faulty Hall generator. Replace unit.
Blue wire from old ICM was 12 but replacement ICM was 6.7 volts. Only difference between the tests run between the two ICMs.. Could not get assistance to turn crank.

Check ground lead {k13}

Measure voltage between terminals 6 (blue) and 20 (brown).

Correct value: 12 V (battery voltage).

If voltage = 0 V: Check that ground lead is connected to intake manifold.
Terminal 6 + 20: 0.
Brown wire connected to ground with continuity. Volt to ground was proper batt voltage.
Blue wire had same voltage grounded out by itself.

Check knock sensor leads {k717}

Undo knock sensor connector.

Bridge connector terminals at rear.

Use ohmmeter connected across terminals 12 (brown) and 13 (green) in control unit connector to check integrity of leads. In case of open-circuit, check each lead in turn (see wiring diagram).

Switch off ignition.
knock sensor failed with flying colors. No continuity between 12 and 13 with sensor unplugged.

Check load signal from fuel system control unit {k18}
(Applies only to B 230 F/FT)

Measure voltage between terminal 8 (yellow) and ground. Switch on ignition. Correct reading: approx. 11 V.

Switch off ignition.

If reading = 0 V: Lead open circuited or fuel system control unit faulty (see wiring diagram).
Terminal 8 + ground: 8.1

All unlisted steps provided passing results.
 
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Old 01-05-2017, 06:21 AM
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Hall sensor has been retested and results are withon specifications now after finding better ground. Computer feed wire for test k18 has risen to 8.3 at max now.
 
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Old 01-09-2017, 01:35 PM
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I wonder, when you say the knock sensor test failed, did you understand the term "bridge?" This means to connect them to each other. The test isn't a test of the sensor, but a test of the cable to the sensor, which is part of your new harness, and not a likely failure. Or is it? Ignition harness replaced or just fuel harness?

Then about the coil having zero ohms between 1 and 15... I kinda gloss over that because so many newbies to multimeters either have the wrong multiplier set on ohms, have autoranging enabled, or have damaged the shunts by measuring live circuits -- or just have cheap meters which can't discriminate between a dead short and one ohm. Check the coil resistance with all the wires removed before condemning the coil on resistance. Check something of known resistance in the range of your spec to prove the meter isn't lying to you.
 
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