Volvo 940 random non-start and stall.
Over the last 2 months I will be driving my 94 940, pull into a gas station and when I go to start the car again, it fails. I will mess around with relays, and bang on the pump and filter and suddenly it will start and be fine for weeks or will have spasms of non starts for a day or two. The thing is, I a not sure what gets it started again. The first time It happened I thought it was the relay because I was jiggling it just as it started. A couple of non-starts later, it started as soon as I banged on the pump/filter.
When I'm trying to start it, and it fails, it almost seems like its firing slightly as i'm turning it over and when I let off it continues for a moment before dieing. If I try immediately after, oftentimes it will just crank and I hear no firing. Just today for the first time it stalled out while driving. I couldn't get it started up for more than 2 hours. The last thing I did (after doing it multiple times before) before it started was bank on the pump and jiggle the connectors to the pump. I don't want to drive it unless I'm sure its not going to happen again. I don't want to pay an arm and a leg to get it towed off of a freeway. I was browsing through some other threads and one person had a similar problem and solved it by lining up the timing properly. My car needs a new belt. Its about 15k overdue. A new fuel filter is due about now too. I cant really replace either easily as I am living at college and can only replace stuff that doesn't require getting things messy. I would really like to be able to diagnose the problem so I don't have to replace multiple messy things. I could maybe get away with one. Now that you have the back story, here are a couple questions I love the answers to help diagnose the problem. 1. should the pump buzz every time I turn the key? Even after just waiting 1-10 seconds? My pump will buzz intermittently. Maybe the pump only turns on after pressure drops after a couple minutes? 2. which relay is for the fuel pump and/or injection system? there is a little square blue one on the front right that seems to click on and off for the duration of the fuel pump buzz. However, I was looking to buy a new one and online it seems to look like one of the 2 relays in the far right corner. Are there 2 relays for the fuel system? I have a friend who owns a 94 turbo 940 and I could probably bum a relay off of him for testing, but I would like to know which one(s) to borrow. 3. how off does the timing need to be to have problems with the timing cap having to arc? just 1 tooth on the belt? Since its getting late, I'll be checking the timing tomorrow morning. 4. What are some other things I can do to diagnose? EDIT: Also, its getting pretty ****ty mileage. Around 20-22. Previously I never got worse than 26 and usually 27+. These numbers are for freeways. It may or may not be relevant. |
Man, you are all over the place. Sounds to me like you have a fuel pump going out. If you have a friend that has a relay you can test, I would suggest putting your relay in his car. The fuel system should hold pressure for several hours. You should hear your pump buzz every time you try to start it.
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Tested his just a moment ago. His buzzes every time like you said. I think I might just get this over with and replace everything.
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From the symptoms you mention, it sounds to me that your fuel pump relay is bad. I would swap it out first. Or if you have a soldering iron, pull it apart and touch up the solder points on the circuit board that hold the relay coil. They tend to crack from vibration over time.
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Hmm.... Are the cracks usually visible? I popped it apart (what I think is the right relay) and I couldn't see any micro cracks in the solder material on the back of the board.
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Well, after much research, I figured out which relay is actually for the fuel pump I just yanked each and checked the part # of the one the pump wouldn't buzz on. the fuel pump relay is a little blue one first row far right marked 4rd 003 520-52 http://heathholden.com/relay.jpg from http://www.volvo-forums.com/t21325-1...pump-relay.htm
There isn't really anything I can re solder . Its a little 3 sided copper box with an eletro magnet inside that opens and closes a switch. Previously I was looking at a fuel inject relay maybe? EDIT: On top of that I'm pretty sure the relay clicked on and off each time I tried starting the car on my last no-start episode. I do remember it being pretty warm though. I'm starting to lean towards just fuel pump. EDIT2: In that above link someone mentioned that the high-beam relay is identical to the fuel pump relay and can be swapped for testing. Could anyone else confirm this? |
So I changed the fuel pump and have been driving it for the last 8 days or so. It hasn't failed yet. It still has ****ty mileage though :( and has low power at higher RPMs. I tested it against another 94 940 non turbo (same color too) that my brother has.
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pump only and not filter?
I learned the hard way (on a previous vehicle) that the filter gets changed at least as often as the manufacture says [60K on a 1994 940]. If you are running elcheapo gas ... much sooner than 60K.
At least the bolts are loosened on the plate and you are familiar with relieving the fuel pressure. |
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