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1240 02-23-2012 09:31 AM

Oil Thermostat Operation
 
At what tempature does the oil thermostat open?
Should there be a small flow through the device when its cold?

rspi 02-23-2012 07:25 PM

There is NO SUCH CREATURE.

gabyman97596 02-23-2012 07:51 PM

I was thinking the same thing, where on earth would that be lol. Please rephrase coolant thermostat!

Lifesgoodhere 02-23-2012 08:06 PM

actually I have seen oil thermostats before...they do not open or close persay, but talk to the computer and can be and sometimes are another gauge to look at.

rspi 02-23-2012 08:10 PM

On these I5 Volvo's?

Turkey_Sandwich 02-23-2012 08:30 PM

I suppose multi-viscosity engine oil could be thought of as a passive oil thermostat...

I don't think this is what you are asking. :P

Kiss4aFrog 02-25-2012 03:30 AM


Originally Posted by Turkey_Sandwich (Post 307407)
I suppose multi-viscosity engine oil could be thought of as a passive oil thermostat...

Do What ??

I did read that an 850 does have a thermostat but I can't remember if it's in the trans cooler circuit or the engine oil circuit ?? It might be engine oil since they only use the engine oil cooler on the turbos. One of those things I was curious about but hadn't yet tracked it down.
It's supposed to keep the fluid from circulating until it's reached close to normal operating temperature. In colder climates they want it to get up to temp sooner so they bypass the cooler when first started.

Turkey_Sandwich 02-25-2012 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by Kiss4aFrog (Post 307585)
Do What ??

It was a dorky engineering joke.

Originally Posted by Kiss4aFrog (Post 307585)
I did read that an 850 does have a thermostat but I can't remember if it's in the trans cooler circuit or the engine oil circuit ?? It might be engine oil since they only use the engine oil cooler on the turbos. One of those things I was curious about but hadn't yet tracked it down.
It's supposed to keep the fluid from circulating until it's reached close to normal operating temperature. In colder climates they want it to get up to temp sooner so they bypass the cooler when first started.

Learn something new every day. Apparently the 850 Turbo does have an oil thermostat, its operation is limit flow through the cooler until the engine is warm. Found this thread where the poster discusses replacing the pressure hoses from the thermostat (which is bolted directly to the oil pan) to the oil cooler.


Originally Posted by Henry10 (Post 248049)
I cut the steel lines post-thermostat and connected them to each-other with a rubber hose, i.e. oil cooler is not used. This is a temporary solution. I am looking into the correct piping/hoses and fittings, since I will no longer use Volvo OEM lines.

According to Volvo literature oil pressure is minimum 14 psi at idle and maximum is 43 psi at 3000 rpm. This is the same for 850 NA and Turbo ('95-96); again I have both 2.4 and 2.3 Engine Volvo's documents and pressures are the same. However, I understand that the lubrication system for Turbo is different from NA, and the oil pumps are different Part Numbers (at FCP). Maybe someone can explain this?

From other research I have learned that 850 Turbo oil pump's capacity has been increased by a wider pump wheel and a modified profile. Yet, Volvo documents show that both pumps push the same psi pressure.

Regarding Oil Thermostat: it starts to open at 203 degree F oil temperature and is fully open at 300 degrees F oil temperature.

So to answer the original question here, he mentions in the thread's first post that he thinks the thermostat should only let about 10% through when closed (so 1.5-2 PSI at idle), but does not say that he found any particular documentation about that. Basically if you get full oil pressure when cold (not sure how to test this without some cost and time to rig a test hose and gauge) then the thermostat is not operating but is stuck open.

I'm not sure if this is a major problem unless you live in a very cold climate and/or do not let your car warm for a couple minutes before driving.

Kiss4aFrog 02-25-2012 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by Turkey_Sandwich (Post 307607)
It was a dorky engineering joke.

Maybe ,,,, but it's kind of funny and funny is good ;) Plus you never know how many people read that and really had to think about it !!

Kiss4aFrog 02-25-2012 10:04 AM

"From other research I have learned that 850 Turbo oil pump's capacity has been increased by a wider pump wheel and a modified profile. Yet, Volvo documents show that both pumps push the same psi pressure."

That's because the turbo (the turbocharger itself) uses up a lot of oil. The reason the part numbers are different is because the turbo pump will pump a higher volume of oil at the same PSI and RPM than the NA part will or needs to. The turbo's oil pump parts are physically bigger to pump that higher volume. The rotor in the pump is the main source of volume and the maximum pressure is usually controlled by a spring that limits max PSI.
It's like having a 1" hose running to a NA and a 2" hose running to a turbo. They both are running at 14psi at idle but you'll get a whole lot more out of the 2" hose. It needs that extra oil for all the oil that flows into and rapidly through the turbocharger to both lubricate the bearings and carry away heat.

1240 02-25-2012 11:53 AM

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Well that was an interesting read, I can assure you there is a oil thermostat on 850 turbo models. http://www.fcpeuro.com/products/volv...enuine-3528199
It is located in the 5:00 oclock position near the Crankshaft damper. If you have a
a non-turbo model there will be a block off plate installed there.
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rspi 02-25-2012 12:54 PM

Well, I learned something NEW today. Now to my question... How in the world are you suppose to know when that thing is bad?


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