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Trans slips, hard/delayed shifts
Originally Posted by DWR
(Post 442232)
I purchased a 2007 C70 with 99k miles just under a year ago. I did have the car inspected and was well aware of the transmission issues and the car did have some minor downshift issues between 2nd and 3rd gear when I bought it. Otherwise the car was immaculate and exceptionally well maintained.
The car was already significantly discounted (IMO) and I used the inspection report to knock another $1200 off the price. I've driven the car for roughly 20,000 since I bought it with varying transmission issues. Shortly after purchase it threw a service transmission urgently warning and I took it to my mechanic (not Volvo specific but very good) and he replaced a knock sensor and the car ran great for about 2500 miles before slowly reverting back to a pattern or great driving for 100-200 miles and then progressively worse slippage until the "urgent transmission service" triangle and check engine light reappear. The car drops into limp mode and then after it's been parked the triangle disappears but the check engine light stays on. After roughly 100 miles of driving the check engine light goes off and the car drives normally for another 50-200 miles before the cycle starts again. What is unusual (at least I haven't seen it here elsewhere) is that the the triangle of death is often preceded or followed with a "low bulb failure" and once with a "stop lamp failure" warning?? My mechanic has been very hesitant to recommend anything further since he feels that it's as likely as not to be an issue outside of the transmission itself. I did notice a thread here where is seems that the electric throttle body (do I have that right?) was sending a code to the transmission generating a transmission warning and limp code?? The car runs great and the transmission works perfectly about 50% of the time. I love the car and have no issue spending money on a rebuilt transmission if that is actually the issue but I have a hard time believing that a genuine transmission related issue would be so intermittent. Any thoughts on the best way to proceed would be greatly appreciated... I'm dealing with a 2004, having the same issues. I purchased it from my mechanic, who is a Volvo certified mechanic. It had roughly 75,000 miles on it when i purchased it. it's pretty much a trip to his shop every week or so to have him reprogram the computer. it seems to go through this cycle as you described, the transmission slips, then jerks, at which point the check engine light and transmission lights come on. it is exhausting!!! Did you ever resolve your issue, and if so how? thanks!!@ well, I had to run out and now the low bulb failure indicator has come on. and as luck would have it this almost always happens on Saturday afternoon after my mechanic has closed. exhausting, just exhausting. |
hi have you checked the transmission fluid level and the color of the fluid?
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Originally Posted by hichamaziz
(Post 456886)
hi have you checked the transmission fluid level and the color of the fluid?
I'm glad everyone in this forum isn't like the troll who has been adding nothing useful or helpful to the discussion. thank you for being nice, it is genuinely appreciated. I messed up, i know I messed up, I don't need sarcastic comments. |
sorry to hear your frustration. seems there was some confusion about your post due to it being added to a prior thread. Generally on these cars there's three things in play - the transmission computer - which gets information from various sources about engine and road speeds (so a wonky ABS module can show as a transmission fault), the valve body, which have electronic switches (solenoids) to shift the gears and the wet clutches which transfer power. The point of looking at the fluid is that if there's black or brown, that means something produced too much heat (like a slipping clutch) or has bits of clutch floating around. That means its rebuild time. If you have hard shifting it can either be a computer issue (either bad data in or old software) or it can mean the valve body isn't switching gears correctly (a solenoid uses magnetism to move the switch so if its sticky or has a short, it will cause missed or hard shifts). Seems your mechanic has some vested interest in not telling you he was aware of this issue. I don't think you messed up - this is not a caveot emptor or owner awareness issue - your mechanic should have read fault codes to clue him in on possible causes. So what to do next? You can either find a transmission shop with special tools/skills to diagnose and repair or consider finding a replacement transmission from a yard. car-parts.com is a good resource for searching and pricing used parts like transmissions.
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Originally Posted by mt6127
(Post 456948)
sorry to hear your frustration. seems there was some confusion about your post due to it being added to a prior thread. Generally on these cars there's three things in play - the transmission computer - which gets information from various sources about engine and road speeds (so a wonky ABS module can show as a transmission fault), the valve body, which have electronic switches (solenoids) to shift the gears and the wet clutches which transfer power. The point of looking at the fluid is that if there's black or brown, that means something produced too much heat (like a slipping clutch) or has bits of clutch floating around. That means its rebuild time. If you have hard shifting it can either be a computer issue (either bad data in or old software) or it can mean the valve body isn't switching gears correctly (a solenoid uses magnetism to move the switch so if its sticky or has a short, it will cause missed or hard shifts). Seems your mechanic has some vested interest in not telling you he was aware of this issue. I don't think you messed up - this is not a caveot emptor or owner awareness issue - your mechanic should have read fault codes to clue him in on possible causes. So what to do next? You can either find a transmission shop with special tools/skills to diagnose and repair or consider finding a replacement transmission from a yard. car-parts.com is a good resource for searching and pricing used parts like transmissions.
My mechanic has tried quite a few things to correct the problem, one of which is reprogramming the computer. he has downloaded updates. changed transmission fluid. Soddered components on the computer which were loose...I think i'm saying this correctly. Anyway, I've not been charged for any of the work. he is an honest person, I hope I've not given the impression that he is otherwise. Now we are at a point where he says I need to replace the computer, that is pretty costly. I have no problem doing it IF it will correct the problem. But I don't want to spend that kind of money if it doesn't correct the problem. I probably drive 100 miles a week, intown driving, so when it does all of that slipping and what not, by the time i get home each day I'm exhausted and a nervous wreck. So thank you all for your helpful suggestions. it is very much appreciated. I'll keep you posted on my saga!! |
sounds like he's trying to approach the problem with the simpler fixes which is a reasonable approach for a home mechanic, but you may want to find a Volvo shop with a full set of factory tools and pay the $150 for a proper diagnosis. I suppose you can shop for a used computer (check out car-parts.com to find local recycle yards with your model) but if you are at the point of replacing a computer, I'd call a specialty shop like Midwest ABS or Rochatek to see if your symptoms match up to an ABS controller or transmision computer fault. If so they both offer rebuild services (figure $250 for the rebuild of an ABS board).
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