Can't get my 1984 volvo 240 gl started
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Can't get my 1984 volvo 240 gl started
I can't get it started I did everything the relay won't get power the intank fuel pump is rusted out and I got the main fuel pump to pump fuel from the tank and the fuel got to the fuel rail but the injectors won't pull fuel i changed the fuse by the coil in the battery tray and the connection to the positive battery terminal is rusted and I cant get the bolt off i ran a hose to the fuel rail and they won't pull fuel please help me I've been trying for 2 months the cars been sitting for a long time.
thank you..
thank you..
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Just because the fuel got to the fuel rail doesn't mean that it will run. The injectors don't "pull" fuel, the main fuel pump delivers fuel to the rail a certain amount of pressure. If that pressure is too low, the injectors won't deliver enough fuel to the engine.
Really, you need to get these things all sorted out.
1) Rusted positive battery terminal? You need to get that sorted (I am assuming it is corrosion and not rust since battery terminals aren't steel).
2) In-tank pump rusty? I assume you mean the top of the sending unit is rusted out meaning there is no power getting to the in-tank pump. Only solution to that is a new sending unit and in-tank pump
3) Fuel pump relay has no power? Need to get a wiring diagram to chase that down.
How long has the car been sitting? If it has been a couple of years since it ran you probably need to drain the tank and make sure any gunk in there is cleaned out. ALso you probably will need to replace the fuel filter as running the gunk-contaminated fuel through it probably has clogged it.
Really, you need to get these things all sorted out.
1) Rusted positive battery terminal? You need to get that sorted (I am assuming it is corrosion and not rust since battery terminals aren't steel).
2) In-tank pump rusty? I assume you mean the top of the sending unit is rusted out meaning there is no power getting to the in-tank pump. Only solution to that is a new sending unit and in-tank pump
3) Fuel pump relay has no power? Need to get a wiring diagram to chase that down.
How long has the car been sitting? If it has been a couple of years since it ran you probably need to drain the tank and make sure any gunk in there is cleaned out. ALso you probably will need to replace the fuel filter as running the gunk-contaminated fuel through it probably has clogged it.
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The connector to the positive battery terminal coming from the 25 amp fuse is all rusted the bolt but it's still connected the top of the fuel sending unit is rusted like you said and the connectors are all faded and the car been sitting for 17 years what confuses me is the fuel pump relays they are the 2 metal thing under the passenger side dash because the newer ones have a white one hanging
Last edited by Sulaymaan; 03-30-2020 at 06:30 AM.
#4
I haven't worked on an '84 (only '89s and newer) so I'm not familiar with the fuel pump relay setup.
Check out this page:
In the Tank - 240 Volvo Tank Pump and Sender
It has a nice write-up on how to check the main and in-tank pump. Also, you can try jumpering the fuses as it describes there to run the in-tank an main pump to see if it will start that way.
If the car hasn't been run in 14 years you probably need to check out the entire fuel system as the fuel that sat in it more than likely has varnished. Since some of that fuel is past the fuel filter, it may already have gotten into the injectors and clogged.
Check out this page:
In the Tank - 240 Volvo Tank Pump and Sender
It has a nice write-up on how to check the main and in-tank pump. Also, you can try jumpering the fuses as it describes there to run the in-tank an main pump to see if it will start that way.
If the car hasn't been run in 14 years you probably need to check out the entire fuel system as the fuel that sat in it more than likely has varnished. Since some of that fuel is past the fuel filter, it may already have gotten into the injectors and clogged.
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The level is determined by a float in the tank but it needs an electrical connection to get from the float to the fuel gauge. The reason your fuel gauge and in-tank pump aren't working is more than likely due to the hermetic seal where the wires go into the tank has failed and there is no longer an electrical connection for either the float sensor or the in-tank pump. The link I posted describes that condition and shows a picture of it.
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The gauge's sending unit has nothing to do with getting fuel to the injectors. Are you sure your 84 has an in-tank fuel pump? I believe your 84 240 uses a similar set up to other K-jet cars of that era (I owned an 84 Audi 4000Quattro which used the same relay, fuel pump and filter as Volvos) where you have a fuel pump relay in the relay box (By the firewall or under the dash) and an external fuel pump with a line to the filter then on to the tank. Typically those old pumps will buzz and get warm when they are about to fail - which can pull too much current through the relay which can cause that to fail. The pump should be located under the car in front of the rear wheels and is a round cannister with two wires and hoses. The fuel filter is the cannister with the hoses and no wires... You can jumper the relay to test the pump - there are two small spades (to actuate the relay) and two large spades to connect the power. Jumper the two large spades to power the pump regardless of whether the engine is running or not (so do this only for testing). Pump should produce 42 PSI with a maximum current draw of 6.5A. Have you replaced the fuel filter recently (or ever?)? tested for flow out of the tank? tested pressure from the pump? tested pump current draw? Check out volvotips.com for a repair guide with pics (requires flash to view)
Last edited by mt6127; 03-31-2020 at 05:00 PM.
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Yes I'm sure it had one it's inside the trunk under the mat and the top had a bung nut and the connection is rusted out and I tested the fuel pump by the wheels or the (main fuel pump) and it worked and fuel came out I disconnected the line and it went thru the fuel filter with not problem and the engine is getting fuel but the injectors aren't pulling or opening
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1984 LH systems, on the other hand, DO have that fuse on the smaller red wire from the battery + terminal, this fused power goes to a pair of relays, one for the fuel pumps, and and one for the ECU and rest of the LH system. On my wiring diagram for the 84 LH system, no in-tank pump is shown, but that might just be a drawing mistake as I think its still on fuse 5...
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LH systems do have a fuel rail, and use about 36 PSI +/- 2 psi minus the intake manifold vacuum at the rail.
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