Hho ?
 

has anyone installed a HHO generator in their car ? 30-80% increase on your MPG ! gave me 10 more mpg . you mite get more !

I believe in this concept but I dont think you could generate enough to make a difference in your mileage.

Signed,
Old Grumpy Non-Believer

mythbusters ran a segment on it. myth busted. sorry hookus, but i trust them WAY over you.

Data, details, video.... Fooler?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydEkV-E0mP8 you mean mythbusters with Moe , Larry and Curly ? they built it WRONG AND the morons almost blew themselfs up ! and turn your volume on this time so you can hear them say they messed up . and i didn't ask if anyone ran 100% HHO ,i asked if anyone is trying it , i got 10 more mpg . and thats with a small generator . did you youtube Volvo on HHo ? Only mythbusters tryed running on 100% HHO , what a bunch of dopes !

HHO works
 

Hey grumpy old timer ! how ya doin' , i put HHo in my jeep and with a small generator i got 10 more mpg

or is he crazy ?
 

he went from 24mpg to 34mpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5C6PeGOtHE

say what you want to, i still trust mythbusters over snake oil salesmen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py8QYt54EpE

[quote=ibified;260977]say what you want to, i still trust mythbusters over snake oil salesmen.[/quote i'm sure you do ,i'm sure you do.

@Hookus: are you using a fooler?

google HHO:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen

bunk.

From above link:

Fringe science and fraud

Oxyhydrogen is often mentioned in conjunction with devices that claim to operate a vehicle using water as a fuel, or that burn the gas in torches for welding and cutting at extreme temperatures. Oxyhydrogen is sometimes referred as "Brown's Gas" after Yull Brown who advocated such devices, or "HHO gas" after the claims of fringe physicist Ruggero Santilli.
The most common and decisive counter-argument against using the gas as a fuel is that the energy required to split water molecules exceeds the energy recouped by burning it, and these devices reduce, rather than improve fuel efficiency.[12]

It goes like this: someone puts out there that it works. Mythbusters tests it and proves it DOESNT work, then the snake oil salesmen come out and say "no wait, it didnt work for you because you did it wrong...."

This is not a difficult concept to grasp. of COURSE the people who favor it are gonna say they did it wrong. Ask yourself this: who stands to make money by it being proven bunk? the guys on mythbusters? doubtful. The people who are trying top push the technology? nope, they want you to believe it works so they can sell you plans on how to build it.

Hey hookus? if you're interested, I can send you some information on how to become a millionaire overnight. Just send me a self-addressed stamped envelope, along with your low one-time payment of $99.99, and I will send it out to you.

as i have said ,mythbusters have not proven anything ! they built it wrong ,THEY said they built it wrong . buy plans ? they're free ! just to show you have no idea of what your talking about and i can clearly see that , i just put a HHO in my jeep ,one of the worst vehicles on gas mileage stock 18mpg highway and today i just checked my mileage and got 26 mpg ... and by the way Move'n pictures and TV's are just a fad ,oh and the electric light also . so you say you believe them ? then why didn't you believe them when they said they didn't build it right ? its on the video ?so have you even tryed it ? i already know the answer and its no ? i guess its like the snake oil salesman who told me Volvo was a good car and boy what a liar he was !

An EFIE ? No i don't have a MAF sensor on my Jeep . EFIE is for a vehicle that has a MAF sensor.

No, that's old school (2-3 years old LOL). A fooler box is a chip which modifies the fuel trims. It basically fools the ECU into thinking that nothing's changed. It connects to the OBD2 port.

I stick to my original statement, Hookus. Sorry...you're wasting my mind trying to change my mind.

hello henry
 

yes i know they are , no i haven't used one . my hho is so far working fine as i said i took a mpg yesterday and gained 10 mpg ,have you heard of GEET ? it won't work on a car but it will power up to a 20 hp motor

ALL talk no action
 

WAIT A MINUTE ! Snake oil man ,YOU came here to try to change MY mind ! Right ? i proved to you that Mythbusters had no idea they didn't know what they were doing THEY SAID IT NOT ME ! i thought you said you trusted them ? i guess you don't ?

I don't know what GEET is. There is a new device everyday.

hookus: look who started this thread. I dont buy for a minute that you gained MPG with this. Sorry. I'm out.

they said it could work . LISTEN ! and it doe's ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydEkV-E0mP8 so your BUSTED !

ignorance is bliss , you have proved that !

I cant get over the irony of someone speaking of ignorance immediately after posting something like "and it doe's"

Thank you for keeping me laughing, Hookus.

I'm always concerned about the back lash of making those kinds of modifications. If you take a motor that will normally last 300,000, and make drastic mods like that, will the motor wear faster and now only last 180,000? If that's the case, and you burn the motor up, you will quickly loose the 10 mpg savings in a $2,000 motor repair. :-/

your as smart as a box of hammers
 

Puleeze , you'll never out wit me . your not smart enough !

the combustion chamber is cleaner with this and it burns only a few degrees hotter ,you can change that by running a plug that is one cooler than stock

Injecting HHO into the combustion chamber in fact lowers the temperatures. The main argument of critics of HHO is that there needs to be a lot more HHO injected than a Mason's Jar can produce with 15 Amp, in order to have any effects. Critics basically state that "it violates the laws of physics, which is you need energy to produce energy, and the energy produced is always lesser than the energy used to produce it".

From my experience with it, and the way I understand it, HHO plays the role of the additive. HHO mixes with gasoline/diesel and makes the combustion fuller. The problem is that the added amount of Oxygen is detected by the sensors, and in order to maintain the AFR, the ECU retards timing and adds more fuel, which negates the fuel savings. Sometimes it makes it worse.

That's why a fooler box is needed. It is a chip developed by Volo Performance in Arizona that plugs into the OBD2 port and it modifies the fuel trim/maps of the ECU.

If you see people with their O2 sensors wrapped in aluminum foil, it means that they had a HHO generator on-board.

the fooler you are talking about is call EFIE (Electronic Fuel Injector Enhancement ) that is used for vehicles with MAF sensors . A O2 extention is used with a vehicle that has only a O2 sensor . yes if you do not set it up right it will make your mileage worse . this is why Mythbusters FAILED with the one they made ,they DID NOT RESERCH this at all ,watch the video ,the one they made had 3 little tiny bubbles , a real generator dumps hydrogen out like a fish tank airator , watching Mythbusters is like watching the 3 Stooges putting in plumbing , reseach it ,its very interesting ! ALL HHO MUST have a 1 way flash back arrestor ! You Tube it and check it out yourself . i also have tryed ACETONE 1oz per 5 gal. of gas ,that also improved my mileage quite a bit , there is one guy who denounces Acetone ,says it melts the plastic in your tank ,how is this ? Tulene ,xylene and Acetone where in gas back in the 60's ! you can get 100% Acetone at Home Depot at 7 bucks a can ,if you got 60 more miles per tank for the cost of 75 cents in Acetone , wouldn't it be worth it ? HHO also leaves your combustion chamber carbon free ! and contrary to popular belief you won't see your pistons pouring out your exhaust both only burn a few more degrees than gas and if your that worried lower your plug temp down a heat range . i hope you will try this experiment as i have . i also hope to see your video on youtube telling about your increase and the cell you made or bought off of ebay ,buy the way Titainium makes the Best eletrodes but is SUPER exspensive ! i made mine . to cheep to buy one ! scott

I ran out of breath trying to read this -- some punctuation would help...

Acetone in your tank = Nuts. I would say you got lucky you did not damage something, I totally agree with the guy who denounces acetone. Try this experiment...put on some rubber gloves and work with Acetone for about a minute then watch what happens to the gloves. Most of your fuel system could probably handle it but the rubber seals in the injectors, etc.....cant.
We used Acetone a lot when I was in car audio with fiberglass and molding ABS plastic...its corrosive alright. Hookus, your a good guy but this is not good advice.

Does anyone know of a database where I can find experienced, local mechanics with knowledge of installing HHO for a Volvo XC90. Thanks for your time.

Never mind .......