What if..?
#1
What if..?
Here's the scenario: my '95 855 wagon's N/A engine is getting tired; still runs good but starting to burn considerable oil. I bought it at around 130K mls and POs didn't really take care of it too well.
I love my 855 N/A wagon (has Bilstein TCs all around and IPD sways) but would really like to replace it with a clean 1995-1997 855 turbo wagon, '97 855 GLT, '98 V70 GLT, or '98 V70 turbo. That's it; not interested in any other models or MYs. Preferably it would have < 120K mls on the clock.
With those constraints my shopping options are very slim most of the time; been watching CL every day (practically) for over two years now. Half the time when I do see a prospect, the seller won't even return my email or phone msg; the car is gone immediately.
So here's what I'm thinking; please talk me out of it or tell it's doable. What if I buy a '95 850 turbo sedan (can pick one up for $1500 w/over 160K mls), rebuild the engine, then put the engine (including wire harnesses as necessary, ECMs, TCMs, gauge cluster, etc.) into my 95 855?
Yeah it would be a lot of work but my main question is would the car be EPA legal? We have smog inspections here every two years but they don't even pop the hood on this model; they do a quick tailpipe sniff and as long as there are no codes set, O2 sensors and cat are working, you're good.
This would get me to my goal of having the ultimate sleeper and no sunroof!! Did I mention I hate sunroofs (rattle traps that leak water IMO)? The turbo and GLT models all seem to have sunroofs.
Comments please..
I love my 855 N/A wagon (has Bilstein TCs all around and IPD sways) but would really like to replace it with a clean 1995-1997 855 turbo wagon, '97 855 GLT, '98 V70 GLT, or '98 V70 turbo. That's it; not interested in any other models or MYs. Preferably it would have < 120K mls on the clock.
With those constraints my shopping options are very slim most of the time; been watching CL every day (practically) for over two years now. Half the time when I do see a prospect, the seller won't even return my email or phone msg; the car is gone immediately.
So here's what I'm thinking; please talk me out of it or tell it's doable. What if I buy a '95 850 turbo sedan (can pick one up for $1500 w/over 160K mls), rebuild the engine, then put the engine (including wire harnesses as necessary, ECMs, TCMs, gauge cluster, etc.) into my 95 855?
Yeah it would be a lot of work but my main question is would the car be EPA legal? We have smog inspections here every two years but they don't even pop the hood on this model; they do a quick tailpipe sniff and as long as there are no codes set, O2 sensors and cat are working, you're good.
This would get me to my goal of having the ultimate sleeper and no sunroof!! Did I mention I hate sunroofs (rattle traps that leak water IMO)? The turbo and GLT models all seem to have sunroofs.
Comments please..
#2
sounds like way too much work to me. If you want to swap stuff, but a 855t that meets your requirements and swap the stuff you want to keep from your current car onto it. it'll probably take less time and be a much smaller pain in the *** than converting your car to a turbo.
Edit: 855T may be scarce where you are, but look elsewhere around the country - I see them for sale all the time around here.
Edit: 855T may be scarce where you are, but look elsewhere around the country - I see them for sale all the time around here.
#3
I purchased both of my 850's over 1,200 miles away. I agree that a turbo conversion is not worth the effort.
Troll around town and leave notes when you see the 855's parked. You may get one real quick like that. I talked to a dude the other day that got a straight 855 R for $50. Towed it home, serviced it, and he drives it daily.
As for sun roof's, that's just part of the package. Kinda like women and having to listed to them talk about nothing (silence is just not an option). I've never had a sunroof make noise, just a small leak here and there that took about 1-1/2 hours and a little silicone to fix.
Troll around town and leave notes when you see the 855's parked. You may get one real quick like that. I talked to a dude the other day that got a straight 855 R for $50. Towed it home, serviced it, and he drives it daily.
As for sun roof's, that's just part of the package. Kinda like women and having to listed to them talk about nothing (silence is just not an option). I've never had a sunroof make noise, just a small leak here and there that took about 1-1/2 hours and a little silicone to fix.
Last edited by rspi; 11-27-2012 at 05:51 AM.
#5
It's a lot of work but it should be possible. Biggest problem I would see is the wiring harness, changing them out.
As for emissions it shouldn't change them at all. You'll need the downpipe off the donor vehicle to hook up with the turbo but otherwise it's just a matter of switching over parts.
I've never seen anything on someone actually doing it but I would think someone had. I'd try to find someone who's done the swap. I'd really have to love the car I have though not to just swap out good parts from it onto the "donor"
If you tackle it that would make an interesting write up.
As for emissions it shouldn't change them at all. You'll need the downpipe off the donor vehicle to hook up with the turbo but otherwise it's just a matter of switching over parts.
I've never seen anything on someone actually doing it but I would think someone had. I'd try to find someone who's done the swap. I'd really have to love the car I have though not to just swap out good parts from it onto the "donor"
If you tackle it that would make an interesting write up.
#6
Here you go GDog:
Volvo : 850 Turbo Wagon in Volvo | eBay Motors
Volvo : 850 Turbo Wagon in Volvo | eBay Motors
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...erTypes=b&mmt=[VOLVO[850[]][]]&modelCode1=850&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&driveCode=2 WD&showcaseOwnerId=43108144&startYear=1995&makeCod e1=VOLVO&engineCodes=5CLDR&searchRadius=0&bodyStyl eCodes=WAGON&listingId=334148033&Log=0
Last edited by gdog; 11-27-2012 at 11:28 PM.
#7
It's a lot of work but it should be possible. Biggest problem I would see is the wiring harness, changing them out.
As for emissions it shouldn't change them at all. You'll need the downpipe off the donor vehicle to hook up with the turbo but otherwise it's just a matter of switching over parts.
I've never seen anything on someone actually doing it but I would think someone had. I'd try to find someone who's done the swap. I'd really have to love the car I have though not to just swap out good parts from it onto the "donor"
If you tackle it that would make an interesting write up.
As for emissions it shouldn't change them at all. You'll need the downpipe off the donor vehicle to hook up with the turbo but otherwise it's just a matter of switching over parts.
I've never seen anything on someone actually doing it but I would think someone had. I'd try to find someone who's done the swap. I'd really have to love the car I have though not to just swap out good parts from it onto the "donor"
If you tackle it that would make an interesting write up.
Successful 850 N/a To Turbo Swap....yes, It Does Run And Drive, Quite Well I Might Add! - Performance Modifications - Volvospeed Forums
#8
There have been a few successful swaps gdog. The question is how much time and labor are you willing to give to doing this. The value of the car will never be worth the labor. Have you given any thought to picking up a turbo with a blown head gasket? I mean honestly, I am about a cheap as it gets. I dont own any new cars, they are all volvos, a truck and a van. I did not pay over $550 for any of the last three volvos I bought. Two with blown head gaskets and one had a bad relay. The point here is the two with blown head gaskets cost me about $125 to repair (Wrecker head and gaskets). These cars are wonderful and drive great. You are going to be taking on a project that will be daunting by going after a N/A to Turbo swap. Thats my opinion, not worth it.
I dont need it but I would not hesitate to get this car.
1999 Volvo V70
My fleet:
I dont need it but I would not hesitate to get this car.
1999 Volvo V70
My fleet:
#10
Because the head is warped and its cheaper to get another head from the wrecker than to have the head milled here. Believe me, I tried. I took both heads to a machine shop and they said they were warped so bad that milling would flatten the head but the cams would be under constant stress because of the bend in the head. Milling here cost $85 if the head were good but the wrecker head is $50.
#11
There have been a few successful swaps gdog. The question is how much time and labor are you willing to give to doing this. The value of the car will never be worth the labor. Have you given any thought to picking up a turbo with a blown head gasket? I mean honestly, I am about a cheap as it gets. I dont own any new cars, they are all volvos, a truck and a van. I did not pay over $550 for any of the last three volvos I bought. Two with blown head gaskets and one had a bad relay. The point here is the two with blown head gaskets cost me about $125 to repair (Wrecker head and gaskets). These cars are wonderful and drive great. You are going to be taking on a project that will be daunting by going after a N/A to Turbo swap. Thats my opinion, not worth it.
I dont need it but I would not hesitate to get this car.
1999 Volvo V70
My fleet:
I dont need it but I would not hesitate to get this car.
1999 Volvo V70
My fleet:
Thanks for the link, but again, not interested in a '99 MY.
And maybe I didn't emphasize it in my original post but around here it's turbo wagons are in short supply; especially clean ones. The turbo sedans are, by comparison, quite plentiful. So my idea was to get a beater sedan on the cheap just so i had all the electrical/mechanicals i would need for the swap.
Last edited by gdog; 11-28-2012 at 11:57 PM.
#12
Because the head is warped and its cheaper to get another head from the wrecker than to have the head milled here. Believe me, I tried. I took both heads to a machine shop and they said they were warped so bad that milling would flatten the head but the cams would be under constant stress because of the bend in the head. Milling here cost $85 if the head were good but the wrecker head is $50.