S60R misfires - HELP!
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Hello all, thanks for any and all help. Here is what I have:
2006 S60R, 73K miles, new plugs at 66K. Just recently got P0303 and P0305 with CEL. Never had this before now. It came on after start and idle. Swapped coils around and misfires stay with the cylinder. Swapped plugs - same result. Tried older coils (exact match) from V50, no joy. Connectors are in good condition and receiving proper voltage. Plugs are only 7k miles old - all good there. Injectors are operating, getting the proper voltage, and have proper resistance. This problem is intermittent - I clear the codes after the above troubleshooting and get a short drive cycle or several idle periods in before the codes come back. However, no CEL again. Is that because I'm clearing the codes?
What else can I check/try before I take it to a shop? I'm a bit anxious about the possibilities - timing, compression, leaky gaskets, etc. Complicated always means expensive!!
Thanks in advance for any help.
Jeff
2006 S60R, 73K miles, new plugs at 66K. Just recently got P0303 and P0305 with CEL. Never had this before now. It came on after start and idle. Swapped coils around and misfires stay with the cylinder. Swapped plugs - same result. Tried older coils (exact match) from V50, no joy. Connectors are in good condition and receiving proper voltage. Plugs are only 7k miles old - all good there. Injectors are operating, getting the proper voltage, and have proper resistance. This problem is intermittent - I clear the codes after the above troubleshooting and get a short drive cycle or several idle periods in before the codes come back. However, no CEL again. Is that because I'm clearing the codes?
What else can I check/try before I take it to a shop? I'm a bit anxious about the possibilities - timing, compression, leaky gaskets, etc. Complicated always means expensive!!
Thanks in advance for any help.
Jeff
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No noticeable problems under power. The injectors seem to be fine - I hear the tapping from both and the voltage/resistance is normal. Having two misfires has me baffled. Are they companion cylinders? One misfire and a sympathetic one perhaps?
However, I do on occasion notice a "grumbly" idle after a cold start. I just figured that was the car getting "settled" after sitting. That said, sometimes I get the codes, and sometimes not. I'm not finely tuned enough to detect the misfire when it happens - so, when I feel or sense the rough idle that doesn't necessarily match up to the misfire codes. They seem to appear on their own mysteriously. Given the start/idle scenario described, I actually think this has been happening for a while now as I recollect that happening before. I just never got a CEL until now and never plugged in my scanner to see if anything was wrong just for the heck of it.
I don't have the tools necessary for a compression check - unfortunately. I don't like the idea of a head gasket leak and would be shocked if that was the cause. The car isn't perfect, but it's garage kept and driven roughly 5k/year. Not that I baby it, but I use it gently (although I like to drive it fast!)
The one thing I wasn't able to do was bench check the coils. The few tutorials I found didn't help and I couldn't find any procedures for which leads to check and what resistance to expect. I actually got 0 Ohms on every reading I took. I obviously did something wrong.
However, I do on occasion notice a "grumbly" idle after a cold start. I just figured that was the car getting "settled" after sitting. That said, sometimes I get the codes, and sometimes not. I'm not finely tuned enough to detect the misfire when it happens - so, when I feel or sense the rough idle that doesn't necessarily match up to the misfire codes. They seem to appear on their own mysteriously. Given the start/idle scenario described, I actually think this has been happening for a while now as I recollect that happening before. I just never got a CEL until now and never plugged in my scanner to see if anything was wrong just for the heck of it.
I don't have the tools necessary for a compression check - unfortunately. I don't like the idea of a head gasket leak and would be shocked if that was the cause. The car isn't perfect, but it's garage kept and driven roughly 5k/year. Not that I baby it, but I use it gently (although I like to drive it fast!)
The one thing I wasn't able to do was bench check the coils. The few tutorials I found didn't help and I couldn't find any procedures for which leads to check and what resistance to expect. I actually got 0 Ohms on every reading I took. I obviously did something wrong.
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you should be able to rent/borrow a compression gauge from a big box parts store like Autozone. You need to pop off the coils (not always that easy on some cars...) removed the plugs, screw in the gauge and crank for 5-10 seconds. Best to do this on a warm engine. You'd be looking for consistency across all the cylinders. For a turbo, I'd expect something in the 150 PSI range, for an NA block with higher compression its like 180. Now that you've got the coils off and plugs out, inspect the plugs, consider replacing (go with OEMs - they come pre gapped etc), inspect the wire harness to the coils looking for cracked connectors and I'd even consider buying one new coil and drop that on #3. If you happen to find an odd PSI reading on a cylinder, drop 1-2 tablespoons of motor oil down the plug hole, then repeat. The oil will help seal the piston rings temporarily (this is the "wet" test). If the PSIs go up = it means you have internal issues :-( Next I'd be checking for intake air leaks. Try spraying some carb cleaner around the injectors to make sure their seals are ok and consider getting a smoke test done to look for a vacuum line or intake boot issue.
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Thanks for the info. As I said, plugs (new OEM 7k ago), connectors, harness, etc are all good - no problems. At this point, if I'm connecting a compression gauge, it's beyond my weekend mechanic abilities and toolbox. Sad to say, but I need to take it to my mechanic. Wish it were a simple fix like my V50 misfires - standard coil replacement.
I'll post the findings from my mechanic on what the problem was in hopes that may help someone else later.
I'll post the findings from my mechanic on what the problem was in hopes that may help someone else later.
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Thanks for the info. As I said, plugs (new OEM 7k ago), connectors, harness, etc are all good - no problems. At this point, if I'm connecting a compression gauge, it's beyond my weekend mechanic abilities and toolbox. Sad to say, but I need to take it to my mechanic. Wish it were a simple fix like my V50 misfires - standard coil replacement.
I'll post the findings from my mechanic on what the problem was in hopes that may help someone else later.
I'll post the findings from my mechanic on what the problem was in hopes that may help someone else later.
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Yes - and sorry for the forgetful response.
As it turns out it was a faulty injector. #3 was bad - had gas leaking around it. My mechanic found it after doing an extensive amount of troubleshooting in many different areas - compression, smoke check, scoped valves, etc. I'm happy to have paid him for the thorough work, but disappointed that the problem wasn't noticeable to me. I never pulled the fuel rail off, so my only diagnosis of injectors was to listen to them and confirm they were "clicking" away as expected.
The car is back to running smoothly and no problems since. I replaced all the injectors as a matter of principal and to keep them all on the same timeline. The old ones only had 73,000 miles on them but this is an '06 so age is more detrimental than miles at this point.
Thanks for the follow-up (sorry I was forgetful), and I hope this helps anyone in a similar situation.
As it turns out it was a faulty injector. #3 was bad - had gas leaking around it. My mechanic found it after doing an extensive amount of troubleshooting in many different areas - compression, smoke check, scoped valves, etc. I'm happy to have paid him for the thorough work, but disappointed that the problem wasn't noticeable to me. I never pulled the fuel rail off, so my only diagnosis of injectors was to listen to them and confirm they were "clicking" away as expected.
The car is back to running smoothly and no problems since. I replaced all the injectors as a matter of principal and to keep them all on the same timeline. The old ones only had 73,000 miles on them but this is an '06 so age is more detrimental than miles at this point.
Thanks for the follow-up (sorry I was forgetful), and I hope this helps anyone in a similar situation.
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Yes - and sorry for the forgetful response.
As it turns out it was a faulty injector. #3 was bad - had gas leaking around it. My mechanic found it after doing an extensive amount of troubleshooting in many different areas - compression, smoke check, scoped valves, etc. I'm happy to have paid him for the thorough work, but disappointed that the problem wasn't noticeable to me. I never pulled the fuel rail off, so my only diagnosis of injectors was to listen to them and confirm they were "clicking" away as expected.
The car is back to running smoothly and no problems since. I replaced all the injectors as a matter of principal and to keep them all on the same timeline. The old ones only had 73,000 miles on them but this is an '06 so age is more detrimental than miles at this point.
Thanks for the follow-up (sorry I was forgetful), and I hope this helps anyone in a similar situation.
As it turns out it was a faulty injector. #3 was bad - had gas leaking around it. My mechanic found it after doing an extensive amount of troubleshooting in many different areas - compression, smoke check, scoped valves, etc. I'm happy to have paid him for the thorough work, but disappointed that the problem wasn't noticeable to me. I never pulled the fuel rail off, so my only diagnosis of injectors was to listen to them and confirm they were "clicking" away as expected.
The car is back to running smoothly and no problems since. I replaced all the injectors as a matter of principal and to keep them all on the same timeline. The old ones only had 73,000 miles on them but this is an '06 so age is more detrimental than miles at this point.
Thanks for the follow-up (sorry I was forgetful), and I hope this helps anyone in a similar situation.
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