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Old 10-30-2007, 11:51 AM
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I have a 2004 XC90 with only 25k on it. My left front wheel recently started to moan when i engage the brake at 5-10mph at lights and such. it used to happen about three years ago and after many visits and screeching noises they finall fixed it. it started up againg about 6 weeks ago. my warranty also just expired and the service guy at Volvo yold me i need to change out all my pads and rotors front and back. i did change the pads about a couple of years ago. he says the whole thing will cost me $1800. is that a rip-off or am i just experiencing life with an expensive european car? thanks.
 
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Yes & Yes. This is one reason why it is highly recommended to get an extended warranty on any European / Luxury car. That being said, I don't think brake pads and rotors are covered under warranty beyond the first 12 months. The Volvo breakes are effective but wear fast. My dealer told me that I liekly will have to replace my first set of pads within30K miles (based on my sporty driving style).
 
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:30 PM
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I am a realitively new owner myself but first would get a second opinion, especially for the rear rotors. That is not real common in other makes, they might be bad but I would really question it. I would also shop around for the parts myself, avoid paying dealer costs. Another suggestion, do the brakesyourself, they are not all that difficult to do, maybe gets some help. Or find a non-dealer Euro mechanic with good recommendations. I am thinking you could save at least 1/3 and more if done yourelf.
 
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I had the dealer replaced by front and rear pads and rotors. Front - $480, Rear - $304 and I also had them flush the brake system for $100. About 10 months / 25,000 miles later my front pads needed to be replaced again, this time I did it my self, it was surprisingly quite easy. I went with the ceramic pad's akebono - rear and hawk - front and am happy with them so far.
 
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At eEuroparts, fronts for XC90 are at about $70 (Genuine Volvo), rears at $45 (Genuine Volvo):

http://www.eeuroparts.com/searchresu...7&cat=1019

So, the total for pads is approx $115 (seems a bit too low for a vehicle like XC90). Plus, I assume it takes max 2 hours for a dealer Tech to do both fronts & rears (Tech, correct me if I'm wrong), and assuming the labour is about $120/hour, it is still less than $400.

As to extended warranty, you really need to research and know what you're dealing with. Extended warranty is one of the biggest rip-offs ever, and I believe many members would agree (I personally think it is 80% of the time waste of money). Many companies use "scare tactics" to make you buy extended warranty. If you should decide to get one, however, I would avoid 3rd parties' services and get one at a Volvo dealer. See "Off Topics" section for some threads on extended warranty.

Brakes on many European cars seem to wear fast, at about 30,000 miles.This means their brakes are effective and do not use metallic materials (again, correct me Tech if I'm wrong). If you look closely, you'd notice that many German cars have sooty front wheels due to brake dust.

Yes pads are generally easy to replace, but easy jobs often require utmost attention or you're jeopardising safety. If you're familiar with replacement procedures, then it would save you quite a bit of $$$, but if you are not confident, I would pay a fully-certified ASE Master Technician do it for you, preferably at an independent shop that specialises in European makes.

Also, I would replace brake fluid at every 20,000 miles/2 years. Brake fluid is hygroscopic and absorbs moisture, which in turn lowers the boiling point and may also form some gunks inside the system.

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Old 11-01-2007, 12:33 PM
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Took my 2006 XC90 in for 30K service today. It only needed new front pads (less than 2 mm) for $180 incl. labor. Rotors +rear padswere fine. I drive mine pretty hard and driveto the mountainsevery weekend (160 miles r/t) during ski season. I asked the dealer service how much to replace both front and rear pads and rotors.They saidif rotors are bad they can't machine them since they are too thin. Frontrotorswould be$520 andrear pads + rotorsare slighly less than the front, so a total estimate would beless than $1400 + tax in Littleton, CO.
 
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eEuroparts have front rotors for $80 each. They are Zimmermann, which I believe is a German high-quality aftermarket parts, not sure if Volvo uses them as OEM (there seem to be a few OEM brake component suppliers, such as Brembo, ATE, etc...). The rear rotors are $55 each. With rotors & pads on all four, the cost of parts is still less than $500. If you can dothe jobby yourself, this is the rough estimate. Even if you have them done at a shop, say they charge $120/hour, it is still less than what the dealers came up with (not sure how some dealers came up with brake jobs for over $1,500).

Try searching for specific applications at eEuroparts:
http://www.eeuroparts.com/searchresu...0&cat=1027

Yes, in general European rotors seem to wear with the pads and are usually not resurfaced.

I hope this is of some reference to some people.


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Old 11-05-2007, 10:58 PM
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I suppose those of us who want to own a luxury car butdon't have the time,skills or confidence to do it ourselves have to pay for the convenience and peace of mind.I would rather pay someone else to do it than mess with it myself and worry that I possibly did it wrong.I spent over $50K for my Volvo and perfer to have Volvo do the maintenance.We do however take our 98 Civicto Breakes Plus.
 
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Volvo have just release a new part # for front pads they are longer life pads but a little noisier. At that time in my opinion they put front brakes that is a bit too small for the vehicle this size that's why there are premature wear to brakes.. In 2005 V8 and on they introduce the bigger brakes in which I notice they last longer. if your brakes are metal to metal regardless your thickness of rotors all of them need to be replace. If u don't want to slap with a $1800 bill all the time check your brake often at least once a yr if not more when u drive lots of miles and or lots of city driving.
 
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oh man...you have hit my favorite topic now.. It seems I need to CONSTANTLY replace my rotors laterly on all my volvos - I am on my 4th volvo now and this is a new phenomonen.

Anyway before I rant what I am doing now is looking for aftermarket stuff that wiull be better and not squeak. I am leaning to Brembo. Volvo tells me I need to drive my cars more so the rotors dont rust. Since I work from home this is an issue and a completely unacceptable answer. I have had a boxster now for 7 years that has brembo rotors and never has an issue.

So the trouble seems now to figiure out my front rototr size and then order the brembos. The second issue is to find someone near toronto that can order the brembos for me.

My point is - avoid replacing your Volvo rotors with OEM parts and find a better quality part. I have had this issue on XC90 XC70 AND V70 models.
 
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Old 12-14-2007, 11:09 AM
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My wife took her XC90 to the dealer yesterday for its 37,500 service. $436 for the service, plus she was told that she would again need new brakes and rotors. This is the FIFTH set of pads, and the THIRD set of rotors. We have other cars in the family that she drives, and nothing is remotely close to this. Add in the 12-14 mpg, and we're out shopping for a replacement today./ Whatever it is, it won't be a Volvo.
 
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I have a 2004 XC90 with only 25k on it. My left front wheel recently started to moan when i engage the brake at 5-10mph at lights and such. it used to happen about three years ago and after many visits and screeching noises they finall fixed it. it started up againg about 6 weeks ago. my warranty also just expired and the service guy at Volvo yold me i need to change out all my pads and rotors front and back. i did change the pads about a couple of years ago. he says the whole thing will cost me $1800. is that a rip-off or am i just experiencing life with an expensive european car? thanks.
It IS a RIP-OFF, and a huge one. you don't even need to go to a "euro" mechanic-any decent shop should be able to replace the brakes-these are not as difficult as Merc, BMW (with sensors). Trust me-I changed the pads to ceramics after I bought the XC90 myself, and it took me 2 hours for all 4 wheels working without any special tools, and I am not a mechanic.

My non-"euro" mechanic charges $100 per axel for the pads, probably would charge 150 for the rotors and pads, so $300 in labor cost.

I would definitely get a second opinion, some dealers are known to make money on unnecessary repairs/services.

It always amuses me that people will pay 100s of $$ for "checking belts, houses, fluid levels, brakes, etc." -especially when the owner's manual will instruct you, the ownerhow to check fluids level, etc..
At any independent garage the mechanic will do oil change AND check brakes, houses, etc. without extra charge...

I am not even sure that the dealer looks at anything when changing that oil.

If you have the time, remove one front wheel and look at the brake pad -it consists of backing plate made of metal, and friction plate made of friction material, that friction plate makes contact with the rotor-see how thick it is, if less then 1/3" -1/8" -replace pads, usually you will replace 1 rotor for 2 set of pads, so if this is the 2nd pad set going in, replace the rotors.
I'd replace with ceramic pads-no dust.

Good luck.
 
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Old 12-26-2007, 11:02 PM
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I'm an old guy that has worked in or near the wrench end of the auto industry most of my life. I also just ordered a new V8 XC using Costco's plan so I will soon be joining the Volvo ranks. Please permit a few observations.

Doing the brakes/rotors yourself. This is not difficult if you have some mechanical ability. If you've never seen it done, go to a brake place and ask to watch- ask questions. Most people like to tell you about their work. If you still don't feel uncomfortable, have a cert mech do the work. You do not want to get into the middle of it and find yourself in over your head. Think about how you'd feel if, the first time you really needed those brakes you changed yourself, the pedal went right to the floor.

Lately there has been a large number of rotors (normally the cheap ones, but not always) from China. The steel in these have not had the proper heat treatment and as a result seem to warp easily. I've experienced this when replacing my own rotors on the cheap. I've seen people buy on the cheap and have to replace rotors every 20K, blaming the car and continuing to replace the rotors. The last time I replaced rotors on my own vehicle I went high end (cross drilled - be advise these cannot normally be turned) and they've lasted for several years; still have them on the car in fact.

Replacing fluid. I used to flush the fluid every two years. On one particular vehicle I owned I wore out the master cylinder rubber and no "kit" was available. Took the old one apart and it was clean as the day it was mfgr'd. I now flush every three years. Never had a problem related to old fluid in five vehicles. Three years is my recommendation.

Brake dust. The DOT dictates the amount of pressure required to stop a vehicle from some standard. This is so little 90 pound people are able to effectively stop any vehicle. Most European vehicles are designed for their roads and speeds and don't have this pressure requirement. In order to not install totally different brake systems (different sized rotors = different brake booster = different sized master cyl, etc) they install softer pads. Hence...they dust. Most everyone finds the non-dusting ceramic pads totally acceptable. They do tend to wear grooves in the rotors which may not be able to turn out meaning rotor replacement the very first time, but they do last a long time and don't dust. They may squeak slightly, depending upon the brand. Personally, I've never experienced this. Some brake shops won't install any other type.

My 2 cents. Take from it what you will. ($1,800!! Tell the wrench you'll be glad to have him do the work just as soon as he stops doing recreational drugs. $600-$800 about right for 4 rotors and pads, including labor)
 
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"FIFTH set of pads, and the THIRD set of rotors at 37,500 miles"??? Does she drivewith her foot constantly on the break pedal? I've got 34,000 miles on my XC90V8 andlike to get going when the lights turn green. Igo to the mountians every weekend and justrecently replaced the first set of front pads.Original rotors still good.
 
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"FIFTH set of pads, and the THIRD set of rotors at 37,500 miles"??? Does she drivewith her foot constantly on the break pedal? I've got 34,000 miles on my XC90V8 andlike to get going when the lights turn green. Igo to the mountians every weekend and justrecently replaced the first set of front pads.Original rotors still good.
Something is not right, even generic brands' pads & rotors would last longer.


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"FIFTH set of pads, and the THIRD set of rotors at 37,500 miles"???

I find it incredibly hard to believe myself. I've followed her occasionally when we both need to go to school for the kids (I coach, she picks up), and she's not a chronic brake rider. I'm in the "something's not right" camp, but the dealer is a total jerk (in the nicest possible way, of course) in not realizing that this is not normal wear and tear. Volvo swallowed two of these, but now she's coming up on warranty end and they are telling her to pound salt.

Of course, we are coming up on lease end as well, in another 8 months, so the most economic thing to do is replace the pads myself, measure up the rotors to see if they really do need replacing, and do it myself. I don't normally get involved in the wife's cars, but this is just b.s.

The dealer also told her she needed new tires, and noted it on the invoice---looking at the tires, there isn't a person out there who would say this car needed new tires--they've got about six months on them, and are damn near brand new--these guys are a rip.
 
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If you have some extra play money ($7K CDN installed) go for the Big Brake System by Evolve. They've been on my XC90 V8 for about 6 months and I imagine my pads will be due for replacement soon. I would also caution you on this system, as it does not like extreme cold and rain (I live in Canada) The rims I have on the vehicle tend to exposed the large discs to the elements and they can get a thin coating of water or ice on the disc, so you have to remember to pump the brakes during bad weather, to avoid ice buildup (like when you come out of a car wash in the winter). But that's a minor issue because the braking performance is INCREDIBLE as the 8 piston system can stop you on a dime!
 
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I have a 2005 XC90 that I just bought for my son. The front rotors are deeply grooved. My question is how difficult it is to retract the piston on this car with the assembly still on the wheel hub/rotor? My 2001 S80 had a different style caliper/caliper bracket setup so not quite sure on this. The grooves on one side are deep, call it .200' or so. This makes me think that there is no way that this will easily come off w/o retracting the caliper piston somehow? I used to just wedge a screwdriver between the pad plate and rotor to push it back but not sure if this same approach is easy/possible with the XC90 setup?Appreciate any tips!

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Thanks for getting back! I actually watched this same YouTube video last night - but there was nothing in there regarding how to retract the piston to get the caliper/bracket assy off with a rotor that had deep grooves. The caliper assy on his vehicle practically fell off when he removed the 18mm bolts - and I could see that his rotor was in really good condition with no grooves worn in. I did see one video that said I needed to crack the bleeder to get the piston to which I find hard to believe?

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