Im curious how ford is involved in the volvo lineup. Do volvo and ford share any engines? Other thoughts.

 

Dont' the Mazda 3 and C30 share the same frame?

 

They are starting to use some of the same platforms. I think a lot of the flow is from the Jags and Volvos to the Ford line.

 

better than spreading ford into those brands, so no same engine is being used in a volvo and ford?

 

The heard from a Volvo salesman at Gallo Volvo, that the new V70 has a Ford engine !

 

Oh no! I have this idea that euro engines are far superior but... well see.

 

From what I have seen the new Volvo's are using the same engine as ford but it is not really a ford engine it is a yahama engine similiar to the one that was in the V-8 taurus.(SHO)

All the suspension parts are also Ford as well they are stamped Fomoco.

 

its a yamaha engine?

 

With globalization it is going to be nearly impossible to find any vehicle that is strictly parts from just one manufacturer. The R & D costs are so high that the trend will continue to go across platforms as well as other boundaries to build a vehicle.

 

Ford now owns quite a few mfgs' stocks and have control over their product development as well. Ford's web page has a list of the mfgs it owns. I believe Ford calls the other brands as "PAG: Premium Auto Group". Even though I do like some of Ford's cars & trucks, I wouldn't buy a Volvo that has engine made by Ford.

I don't know why Yamaha has been supplying automotive engines. I believe they once supplied the motors for Taurus SHO. Yamaha does make motorbikes, marine vehicles, snow mobiles & musical instruments etc... but I do not believe they make 4-wheelers, at least in their homeland.

Well, someday when I make enough to buy a new car, and if it were a new Volvo with Ford motor in it, I would yankthe motorout and put Volvo motor, even if it's a used motor[8D].


JPN

 

I wouldn't be so quick to denigrate the Ford engine. There have been some great Ford engines over the years (289, 302, 351C, 351W, 427). I'm not as familiar with the current crop but I don't think you can issue a blanket indictment of all their engines. That seems to be a bit unfair.

 

I've never heard of a 300k escort, but i'm sure there is one out there. I think ford is in dangerous place by trying to control more brands. I don't mind the F series trucks and of course the shelby but there aren't any other fords out there that i could get into. Looking at how these companies mix and match platforms and engines to fit trends and cost, its almost like their selling me a new stylish pair of shoes. I'd rather they come out with an original product the way it used to be. I've noticed that the saab 93 wagon has some serious chrome on the wagon door that looks like it came right off a gmc car. Blending euro and american design is a bad idea. Domestic designers should step up. No offense!

 

Yes, you are right and if I have offended you, I apologise.

But you know,

....

I WANT A VOLVO MOTOR IN A VOLVO!!!

(And I want a Ford motor in a Ford).


JPN

 

Ever noticed how after ford take over another brand, that brand goes down hill ?
I've seen that many forum posts about volvo/mazda/jag/rover where under ford management, warranties just don't apply any more.

As in they point blank refuse warranty repairs.
Can't even speak to someone that has the power to do more than make a coffee.

I know various people with cars (new) that have problems with parts stamped FoMoCo.
And yes, thats right, warranty is being refuse on these parts.
Failed engine mounts, self desrtucting windows, clutches, gearboxes, suspension, engine management, list goes on..

Just worked on a brand new (100klms) ford raider (4x4), my god what a piece of crud. already trim is falling off.
I don't believe the plastic door handle will last to long either.
Same story with a ford territory I work on a few weeks back.

Note to ford; BUGGER OFF, you can't even run your own company without sending it to the edge of bankruptcy, so leave the other companies alone !

 

The Newer latest body style S80 and I believe the XC90's as well is the Yahama engine it is I believe a 3.2 liter V-8 engine. Pretty much a newest version of the Last taurus SHO that was produced which had the 3.2 Liter V-8 as well.
The earlier SHO's had a Yahama V-6 which was alot faster than the Yahama V-8.

Ford doesn't even want to touch the V-6 Sho's anymore. My sister had one that had Timing belts and timing chains. She wanted to get them replaced. She stopped by the Dealer which my Mom worked at.
They told her they don't even work on them anymore.

She couldn't find anyone to even do it. That was after visiting 4 Dealers and they all said no.

The New V-8 has the Accessories mounted by the transmission. The timing chain is there as well. Yes between the transmission and engine.

But there is light ahead. (Yah right I really believe that one)

The service manuals say the chain is designed to last the lifetime of the engine. (whats the lifetime then? 100k?)

Its been along time since I have become so Vocal about something like this but Ford os going to far here.

The White engines (5/6 inlines.) have been around for ever and have done very well why change now?

 

My son has a 93 SHO 5-spd. That Yamaha engine is sweet but a royal pain in the **** to work on. Parts are very expensivre and hard to find now. Changing the timing belt on the Volvo is a cake walk compared to the SHO engine. Rear spark plug replacements require removal of the intake manifold. Now granted it comes apart fairly easily, but ya get my point. The water pump was $225 and that
was the discounted price through Rock Auto. 156K miles and still pulling strong though. The weak point is the main/rod bearings. You may need to change them out around 120-150K depending upon the abuse. I ended up picking up a specialty tool kit for the engine
to do valves, valve seals, camshaft seal, etc. Still got it, probably should recoup some of my $$$ I spent on it.

And yes, most of the V6's run circles around the V8's. Nothing sounds sweeter than a V8 though.


And I want to add my thoughts on the Ford'ization of Volvo.... In general, it cannot be a good thing. My suspicion is that they took a great vehicle and cheapened it up everywhere they could. It will be interested to see how much the newer Volvos rust, and corrode which includes the bolts/nuts. On the 94 940 we had and the 94 850 we have now, it amazes me the condition that the body and fasteners are in for the age and the fact they they are MASS cars.

 

It's not just the build quality that suffers (under ford).
It's also the fact hat NOTHING gets fixed under wrnty.
It's either "thats within spec" or "never seen that fault before" (which still doesn't get fixed).


Keep in mind their logo, now read this;

F.O.R.D. "At least they circled the problem"

 

The real bad part is I really like my 1987 Mustang LX 5.0 which was when they still built cars that would last.

It has 150k on it now. Bought it in 1997 with 50k on it.

I have had to replace normal parts on it.

 

JPN No offense taken. I agree with Volvo in Volvo. Of course the Ford engines I noted were older engines.

 

So what involvement does Volvo have on it cars these days. And dont any of the new Volvo models have Volvo engines these days. Also I did some research in google and I found some articles that Ford is trying to sell its Volvo unit as early as this summer maybe to BMW. Have anyone heard of this.