850 Poor gas mileage - Tips to improve mpg...
#62
Some professional opinions on octane.
Do You Really Need Premium? - Edmunds.com
I was watching TV the other day and a guy was on talking about the difference of car companies recommending 91 or better octane. His main comment was about certain car motors being designed for higher compression. When lower grade fuel is used, the knock sensor system has to kick in to compensate for the lower bang and he claims that it stresses the motor in some way. I wish I had recorded it, I would have loved to upload the video to youtube.
Another article that I found informative.
HowStuffWorks "What does octane mean?"
How much octane does my engine really need? — Yahoo! Autos
Big brother's words:
The Low-Down on High Octane Gasoline
Do You Really Need Premium? - Edmunds.com
I was watching TV the other day and a guy was on talking about the difference of car companies recommending 91 or better octane. His main comment was about certain car motors being designed for higher compression. When lower grade fuel is used, the knock sensor system has to kick in to compensate for the lower bang and he claims that it stresses the motor in some way. I wish I had recorded it, I would have loved to upload the video to youtube.
Another article that I found informative.
HowStuffWorks "What does octane mean?"
How much octane does my engine really need? — Yahoo! Autos
Big brother's words:
The Low-Down on High Octane Gasoline
#63
Gulp!!! I moved into the city and my gas mileage has dropped. Mind you this is not a complaint because I'm spending $50 less per month on gas but my mileage has dropped. I'm now getting about 22 mpg. The big difference is that my trips are usually under 5 miles. Also, it's winter time so the car is colder at start up. So, if you drive short trips, you will have lower gas mileage. The first 2 or 3 miles the car is still cold so I'm getting about 12 mpg, once warm it gets better.
22 MPG is not bad for my driving, others claim about 18 mpg. An older lady that I was talking to a few months ago was complaining about getting 15 mpg in her Tarus. Well, she drove about 20 miles per week and never gets on the freeway. Can't expect much there, heck she fills up once every 2 months.
Oh, I changed my ScanGauge II view to the following real time settings: Volts - TPS (throttle position) / Temp - Load. What I have discovered is that the gauge has trained me to keep the throttle position at or less than 23% while accelerating and the load at or below 18. Also, I try to never boost unless my temp is over 180 degrees.
22 MPG is not bad for my driving, others claim about 18 mpg. An older lady that I was talking to a few months ago was complaining about getting 15 mpg in her Tarus. Well, she drove about 20 miles per week and never gets on the freeway. Can't expect much there, heck she fills up once every 2 months.
Oh, I changed my ScanGauge II view to the following real time settings: Volts - TPS (throttle position) / Temp - Load. What I have discovered is that the gauge has trained me to keep the throttle position at or less than 23% while accelerating and the load at or below 18. Also, I try to never boost unless my temp is over 180 degrees.
Last edited by rspi; 12-16-2011 at 07:23 PM. Reason: addition
#64
#65
Unfortunately there is no international standard for octane ratings. Check out the the link below. It contains the most complete expanation I could find.
Modern Vespa : Octane Ratings
Here in the USA we have two rating classes, one for the Rocky Mountain states (85-87-91) and the second for the rest of the USA: (87-89-93).
Modern Vespa : Octane Ratings
Here in the USA we have two rating classes, one for the Rocky Mountain states (85-87-91) and the second for the rest of the USA: (87-89-93).
#66
#67
What plugs did you install? I would only do OEM. What are the new plugs gapped at? How many tanks of gas have you run (it may take a tank or two to get the computer to adjust to the new plugs)?
#68
some of the thoughts in the thread make me chuckle alittle.
Honestly, we drive VOLVO's. MPG an and volvo just dont go together well.
my 850t wagon is around 3500 pounds. and with turbo makes 190-200hp(acounting for loss over age)
my 06 scion xb is just 2500 pounds and makes a MASSIVE 103hp
Guess which gets better MPG?
Even tho the scion is an actual BOX, it gets double the MPG, and thats even if I drive the scion with a lead foot and the volvo with MPGs in mind.
But if I wanted an econo box MPG lightwieght car I would have bought one. Volvos are awsome cause they are Overbuilt. More steel, heavier and longer lasting engine ect.
And obviously in a crash I would rather be in a volvo than in the scion.
Not trashing my toaster either, I like it. Its a toyota so MPG and reliability are high. But it doesnt have the feel of quality that my 17 year old 850 does.
Really, beyond proper tune-ups there isnt much we can do about MPGs. Its simply a COST of owning a great kind of car.
Honestly, we drive VOLVO's. MPG an and volvo just dont go together well.
my 850t wagon is around 3500 pounds. and with turbo makes 190-200hp(acounting for loss over age)
my 06 scion xb is just 2500 pounds and makes a MASSIVE 103hp
Guess which gets better MPG?
Even tho the scion is an actual BOX, it gets double the MPG, and thats even if I drive the scion with a lead foot and the volvo with MPGs in mind.
But if I wanted an econo box MPG lightwieght car I would have bought one. Volvos are awsome cause they are Overbuilt. More steel, heavier and longer lasting engine ect.
And obviously in a crash I would rather be in a volvo than in the scion.
Not trashing my toaster either, I like it. Its a toyota so MPG and reliability are high. But it doesnt have the feel of quality that my 17 year old 850 does.
Really, beyond proper tune-ups there isnt much we can do about MPGs. Its simply a COST of owning a great kind of car.
#69
I personally know that I get bad gas mileage because of my right foot....lol I have a 96 turbo and get 23 highway and that is running 75 mph to and from work I also using regular low grade fuel.
I did get bad gas mileage because I had an issue with my front tires it dropped to 18 or MPG
Also I have check engine code for a bad gas cap or air leak? Its not the gas cap, and cannot find any other issues, just have the light on now
I did get bad gas mileage because I had an issue with my front tires it dropped to 18 or MPG
Also I have check engine code for a bad gas cap or air leak? Its not the gas cap, and cannot find any other issues, just have the light on now
#70
#71
Just wanted to let you guys know, especially the big contributors like rspi, mattyxxl, matt01 etc., using the info on this thread I have nearly doubled the fuel mileage on my car since I bought it last September. DIY is saving the planet, the fuel economy repairs I have done have been cheap and I am building way more power than ever before (still probably less than stock).
You guys rule.
You guys rule.
#72
#74
Here is a link to the manual for anyone else that can't find the proper info: http://new.volvocars.com/ownersdocs/..._401.htm#pg4.3
#76
You can test the dash by running a tank manually. Fill the tank, reset the mileage in the trip computer (I believe the 3 o'clock position is the trip mileage) and the MPG in the computer (11 o'clock), run the tank down less than 1/2 tank, fill the tank back up, divide the mileage by gallons pumped and you'll have your mileage, then compare it to the dash read out at 11 o'clock and that will tell you how accurate it is.
#78
Maybe you have the "ACME" manual sourced where the road runner went for most of his gadgets but in my manual it states that the minimum is 87. Not the recommended, the minimum is 87. My Volvo owners manual states the engines are designed to run on premium with a minimum of 91 octane for optimum performance. So to me the words minimum and optimum would lead me to make the statement that you can use regular but what you save in per gallon at the pump you're likely throwing away squirting more of it into the engine because it will ping and or knock and retard your timing. That would also take a lot of the fun out of it because with the timing retarded you will not have the acceleration or power that make the engine fun.
You might get away with running regular but it isn't what they recommend. It also can cost you because if the cheaper gas causes the engine to knock the computer will automatically retard timing causing you to use much more fuel for the same amount of power.
#79
to kiss 4afrog, rspi, and everyone else in this thread I formally would like to apologize. I am not sure what I was smoking but would have sworn on my life my manual stated not to use premium. After further review I am a complete moron and you guys are 100% correct. Just started using premium myself and can really tell the difference in performance.