2000 S80 T6 has a rough, harsh ride
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2000 S80 T6 has a rough, harsh ride
Recently purchased my daughter's 2000 S80 T6 used, and it seems to have quite a harsh ride to me. One strut was blown, so I replaced both struts and both shocks. It is still rough and noisey going over bumps, potholes, etc. Any recommendations?
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Thanks for the reply volvotechky. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you; I had two unanticipated trips out of town. I already replaced the rear shocks, so we can strike that off the list.
What is the cradle bushing installation you mentioned? I did a search for it on this forum without any luck.
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What is the cradle bushing installation you mentioned? I did a search for it on this forum without any luck.
Thanks for the help.
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The cradle bushings go in the back of the cradle, their just 2 big round o-rings, these help from a popping noise over uneven surface, and can also soften the blow of the cradle against the body of the car.. your volvo parts dealer will know what theyu are when you ask for the big round o-rings for the cradle. Easy to install also, just remove the 2 14mm bolts on the back of the cradle and then the large 18mm cradle bolt, the cradle will drop down giving just enough room the put those on, then reintall
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Thanks again Volvotechky. Sorry, I don't know much about Volvos. Are you refering to a front suspension cradle? Can you, or anybody, refer me to a photo or a diagram that shows the O-Rings installed? I'm an okay mechanic, just not experienced with Volvos. Your help is very much appreciated.
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Im referring to the Engine cradle yes, i am also referring to the rear as under the exhaust, those 2 rear bolts, the orings go between the cradle and the body, easy to install, dont have any pics.
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I found this post; are these the o-rings in question? And it mentions only adding two O-Rings. Is that just for the front suspension?
You have to add two O-rings between bolts of the subframe.
S80-2-21-0030
Ter informatie:
There can be a knocking sound with bumpy roads or by turning the weels. The sound occurs because the rear bushes of the subframe move in the subframe.
It concerns following models:
AutomodelFabriekscodeChassisnummer
S80VTM=1000580-137346
Materiaal:
Beschrijving Aantal O/N
O-ring 2 8638585
Schroef 2 981062 schroef= screw
Subframebus, kloppend geluid
Or a vibration of 340 HZ coming from the front wheel
S60/V70 (00-)/S80 -7-72-0006
Ter informatie
Resonantiegeluid (340 Hz) kan voorkomen vanuit het wiel en wordt overgedragen via de veerpoot. Rubberen veerplaten (isolatieplaten) zijn ontwikkeld als service-oplossing.
Dit Service Bulletin beschrijft hoe de isolatieplaten bevestigd moeten worden.
Materiaal
Beschrijving Aantal O/N
Veerplaat, boven 2 30666314 (new) (isolationplate of rubber)
Veerplaat, onder 2 30666315 (new)
Flensborgmoer 6 971100 (moer=nut)
Flensborgmoer 2 969494
Flensborgmoer 6 948645
Vulring 6 976944
Onderstelbescherming 0,19510226
Veren = spring
Sorry for the Dutch.
I have got, if wanted, two .PDF from vadiswith pictures
S80-2-21-0030
Ter informatie:
There can be a knocking sound with bumpy roads or by turning the weels. The sound occurs because the rear bushes of the subframe move in the subframe.
It concerns following models:
AutomodelFabriekscodeChassisnummer
S80VTM=1000580-137346
Materiaal:
Beschrijving Aantal O/N
O-ring 2 8638585
Schroef 2 981062 schroef= screw
Subframebus, kloppend geluid
Or a vibration of 340 HZ coming from the front wheel
S60/V70 (00-)/S80 -7-72-0006
Ter informatie
Resonantiegeluid (340 Hz) kan voorkomen vanuit het wiel en wordt overgedragen via de veerpoot. Rubberen veerplaten (isolatieplaten) zijn ontwikkeld als service-oplossing.
Dit Service Bulletin beschrijft hoe de isolatieplaten bevestigd moeten worden.
Materiaal
Beschrijving Aantal O/N
Veerplaat, boven 2 30666314 (new) (isolationplate of rubber)
Veerplaat, onder 2 30666315 (new)
Flensborgmoer 6 971100 (moer=nut)
Flensborgmoer 2 969494
Flensborgmoer 6 948645
Vulring 6 976944
Onderstelbescherming 0,19510226
Veren = spring
Sorry for the Dutch.
I have got, if wanted, two .PDF from vadiswith pictures
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I also found this diagram; is this the correct location? Thanks Auditechky.
[IMG]local://upfiles/10005/1DD46F9886DB49AE9B6F5CB015EC8A7C.jpg[/IMG]
ORIGINAL: Royaldutch51
What is left in Dutch is a list of needed materials. The Numbers behind the description are the part nr 's from volvo
Tried to add a picture from the subframe and locating the place of the O rings
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What is left in Dutch is a list of needed materials. The Numbers behind the description are the part nr 's from volvo
Tried to add a picture from the subframe and locating the place of the O rings
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[IMG]local://upfiles/10005/1DD46F9886DB49AE9B6F5CB015EC8A7C.jpg[/IMG]
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The piece that they have removed in that pic, you have to remove, once you remove that, the ACTUAL subframe, (engine cradle) will drop, allowing you to put the orings between the CRADLE and the BODY of the car. then put it all back together.
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Thanks for all the help Volvotechky. I found another diagram that may or may not be related to this. What is this?
[IMG]local://upfiles/10005/828D10E595A842038460A03E91AAAABF.jpg[/IMG]
Is this the O-rings you are talking about? It looked to me like a bracket.
Attached is the pic I copied from vadis. They refer to it as bushings. Are these the ones?
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Attached is the pic I copied from vadis. They refer to it as bushings. Are these the ones?
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That second attachment was from me. I'm still clueless as to what these advisors are referring to as "o-rings". I got Valdis and unable to determine what they mean still. As in the picture, I looked under the car and the rear subframe, they all have bushings in there already. I'm not sure what they are referring to.
Are you guys saying, in addition to the subframe bushings, there are O-Rings that can be added?
Also, according to valdis, the engine needed to be lifted with special kit in order to drop the rear subframe, are you saying this is not necessary?
I like to add these o-rings, only of someone to clear it up for most of us.
I'm going to be under my car changing arm control, steering rods and brakes this weekend. I'll give it and another look to see what this o-rings is all about. Unfortunately, I was told that these mysterious o-rings are in some model and not others. Which makes it much harder to determine if your car have it or not.
Are you guys saying, in addition to the subframe bushings, there are O-Rings that can be added?
Also, according to valdis, the engine needed to be lifted with special kit in order to drop the rear subframe, are you saying this is not necessary?
I like to add these o-rings, only of someone to clear it up for most of us.
I'm going to be under my car changing arm control, steering rods and brakes this weekend. I'll give it and another look to see what this o-rings is all about. Unfortunately, I was told that these mysterious o-rings are in some model and not others. Which makes it much harder to determine if your car have it or not.
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hehe, its VIDA, not valdis, vadis is also about 3yrs ago. The o-rings, were in a Tech Net Note a couple yrs back as well, they are just to baseball size black o-rings, they go between the cradle and the body of the car, just literally put them on top of the cradle and bolt it back down, it keeps the cradle from touching the body of the car and making a popping noise or clunking.
I also know that VIDA tells you to support the engine, however when dropping just the rear part of the cradle it is not necessary to support the engine.
When you remove the bolts the cradle will kinda fall down with the weight of the engine, but the bolts will still reach.
I also know that VIDA tells you to support the engine, however when dropping just the rear part of the cradle it is not necessary to support the engine.
When you remove the bolts the cradle will kinda fall down with the weight of the engine, but the bolts will still reach.
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If it stops raining long enough and warms up a little (it's 38F right now), I'll get the car up on jackstands this weekend. Otherwise it'll have to wait until next weekend.
Go2Sharks, keep us up to date with your progress - I think we will get something out of this. I've gone over the suspension of this car, and these O-rings sound like a very reasonable explanation for all the racket I hear. It sounds like the 99 and 00 cars need this done.
Volvotechky, your explanations are very helpful and encouraging.
Go2Sharks, keep us up to date with your progress - I think we will get something out of this. I've gone over the suspension of this car, and these O-rings sound like a very reasonable explanation for all the racket I hear. It sounds like the 99 and 00 cars need this done.
Volvotechky, your explanations are very helpful and encouraging.
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When I lifted the car, due to the weight of the engine pressing down on the subframe, I can see a gap between the body of the car and the rear subframe bushing. Okay, so let me make this question clear this time. I can see that there is rubber bushing on top and bottom of the subframe. My question is this "o-ring" everyone is referring to, is it IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING RUBBER BUSHING? And how thick is it? It seems the gap is about 2mm. As for the bushing on top of the subframe touching the body is about 2cm thick. As you can see this is why I'm confuse over this. There's obviously already rubber bushing touching the body of the car. Am I to replace what I already have or add the additional "o-ring"?
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its hard to explain over the internet, i cant explain it any further, goto a volvo dealer, ask for the bushing, seeif it looks like the one presently on the car, if it does, then it has already been done, if not, then put it on the car. Sorry, its just to hard to explain over the internet.
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I paid the dealership to replace all four of my control arm bushings. Parts were $150 and the labor was $250. I let them do my work, and I don't carethat it costs more out of pocket because I know it's getting done right. And if they messed something up THEY'RE the ones held liable, not me!
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I replaced the right arm control assembly, which had a cracked bushing. I think it improved a little in term of roughness, but still rough ride.
I haven't a chance to go to the dealer and look at the O-ring mentioned here yet.
Please report back on this O-ring if you get a chance to deal with it before I do. I would definitely report back once I can confirm what this O-ring is all about. So far, my feeling is that I do have this already on my car, but it probably needs replacement like every else on this darn volvo.
Please give me some advise on the rear shocks if any. When I search online, they are talking about 2 different types, one being "self-adjusting" and the other is not. The question is How do I know what I have, so I can order the right parts before removing them? Also, what should I replace in term of rear suspension while I'm at it. (Ex: like the front, I had to replaced the strut bushing).
I haven't a chance to go to the dealer and look at the O-ring mentioned here yet.
Please report back on this O-ring if you get a chance to deal with it before I do. I would definitely report back once I can confirm what this O-ring is all about. So far, my feeling is that I do have this already on my car, but it probably needs replacement like every else on this darn volvo.
Please give me some advise on the rear shocks if any. When I search online, they are talking about 2 different types, one being "self-adjusting" and the other is not. The question is How do I know what I have, so I can order the right parts before removing them? Also, what should I replace in term of rear suspension while I'm at it. (Ex: like the front, I had to replaced the strut bushing).
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Go2sharks, I found another site that includes a .pdf of the VADIS instructions showing the O-rings going over the bushings. I am not sure if it is appropriate to insert a link here to another Volvo forum, but I suspect that if you enter this
"Subframe O Ring Fix"
into Google (make sure to use the quotes), you will find everything you need to know. Also, the thread includes his real-life recommendations and observations on the job. Good luck
"Subframe O Ring Fix"
into Google (make sure to use the quotes), you will find everything you need to know. Also, the thread includes his real-life recommendations and observations on the job. Good luck