Price vs reliability
#1
08-16-2007, 11:04 PM
Price vs reliability
I know early model S80s are known for having many issues, but I also know some work just fine. I came across a 2000 S80 2.9L with around 140,000 miles for only $5,400. The car looks very clean in the pictures, but I still don't know...Does anyone with a 2000 S80 recommend getting it? Is it worth the repairs if they come across in the future? It's hard not to consider a car with so many features at such a low price - for $5,400 you usually come across crappy hondas or old cars with clothe interiors and only 1 airbag...
#2
08-18-2007, 10:56 PM
RE: Price vs reliability
I have a 2000 S80 2.9L Non-Turbo. My wife and I love this car. We've had it for 2 years now and it only has 65,000 miles on it with no major repairs having been needed.The maintenance that has been done is the software update for the ETM, the front brakes, Transmission oil flush, suspension bushings, etc. The car runs great and we look forward to many more happy miles with it!
Just like you I had read the supposed "nightmare" stories about this year and model, but our car has been nothing short of perfection. I recommend this vehicle with the following caveat. I've identified a pattern on this forums: The folks that try to do their own work on this car end up doing more damage than good. Some of the members are actual mechanics and can handle the maintenance and such, but if you don't knowwhat you're doing, pony up the money and get the job done right. This is what I've done and I know it's saved me money in the end because my repairs are getting done RIGHT!
Just like you I had read the supposed "nightmare" stories about this year and model, but our car has been nothing short of perfection. I recommend this vehicle with the following caveat. I've identified a pattern on this forums: The folks that try to do their own work on this car end up doing more damage than good. Some of the members are actual mechanics and can handle the maintenance and such, but if you don't knowwhat you're doing, pony up the money and get the job done right. This is what I've done and I know it's saved me money in the end because my repairs are getting done RIGHT!
#3
08-19-2007, 03:47 AM
RE: Price vs reliability
Greetings,
First of all, check out any recalls that have been issued against the S80. If there are any, make sure to have them repaired at a Volvo dealer. Recalls MUST BE repaired by the dealers AT NO CHARGE TO CUSTOMERS, regardless of the age & mileage of the car.
https://volvoforums.com/m_66630/tm.htm
2000 Volvo S80 Recall ID from NHTSA: 07E023000[/align]
Auto Recall Date: 03/29/2007
Vehicle Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:FOUNDATION COMPONENTS:MASTER CYLINDER
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 13128
2000 VOLVO S80 Defect Summary:
CERTAIN CARDONE MASTER CYLINDERS WITH DATE CODES LOWER THAN DCA7078 SOLD AS REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT FOR USE ON THE VEHICLES LISTED ABOVE. THE SEAL ON MASTER CYLINDER CAN FAIL AND LEAK BRAKE FLUID.
Defect Consequence:
LOSS OF BRAKE FLUID CAN RESULT IN POOR BRAKING PERFORMANCE, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN A VEHICLE CRASH.
Remedy:
CARDONE WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND OFFER TO REPURCHASE ANY DEFECTIVE MASTER CYLINDERS. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN DURING APRIL 2007. OWNERS CAN CONTACT CARDONE AT 1-800-777-4780.
Notes: CARDONE INDUSTRIES, INC.,
2000 Volvo S80 Recall ID from NHTSA: 06V441000[/align]
Auto Recall Date: 11/15/2006
Vehicle Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 170099
2000 VOLVO S80 Defect Summary:
ON CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES, A COMBINATION OF THROTTLE POSITIONING SENSOR IRREGULARITIES, A DIRTY THROTTLE HOUSING, AND/OR INEFFICIENT SOFTWARE CALIBRATION MAY CAUSE A WARNING LAMP TO LIGHT AND THE SUBSEQUENT ONSET OF LIMP HOME MODES.
Defect Consequence:
THIS RESULTED IN A HIGH NUMBER OF VEHICLES GOING INTO THE LIMP HOME MODE WITHOUT NEED.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSTALL THE CURRENT SOFTWARE UPGRADE ONTO THE INVOLVED VEHICLES. THE RECALL BEGAN ON DECEMBER 29, 2006. OWNERS MAY CONTACT VOLVO AT 1-800-458-1552.
Notes: VOLVO CARS OF N.A. LLC., R155
2000 Volvo S80 Recall ID from NHTSA: 00V238000[/align]
Auto Recall Date: 08/24/2000
Vehicle Component: SUSPENSION:FRONT:CONTROL ARM:UPPER BALL JOINT
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 49488
2000 VOLVO S80 Defect Summary:
VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: PASSENGER VEHICLES. OVER TIME, THE BALL JOINT BETWEEN THE FRONT WHEEL KING PIN AND THE SUSPENSION LINK ARM, CAN EXPERIENCE INCREASED LOOSENESS.
Defect Consequence:
THIS CONDITION COULD AFFECT THE BALL JOINT'S DURABILITY AND PERFORMANCE.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL REPLACE BOTH FRONT BALL JOINTS.
Notes: VOLVO CARS OF NA, INC., 99
2001 Volvo S80 Recall ID from NHTSA: 04V451000[/align]
Auto Recall Date: 09/13/2004
Vehicle Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:COOLING SYSTEM:FAN
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 149799
2001 VOLVO S80 Defect Summary:
ON CERTAIN PASSENGER AND SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES, UNDER CERTAIN OPERATING CONDITIONS, SOME ELECTRIC COOLING FANS MAY OVERHEAT POTENTIALLY CAUSING HEAT DAMAGE AND, IN RARE INSTANCES, A FIRE IN THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT.
Defect Consequence:
A FIRE IN THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT COULD OCCUR.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE COOLING FAN. THE RECALL BEGAN ON NOVEMBER 29, 2004. CUSTOMERS SHOULD CONTACT VOLVO CARS AT 1-800-458-1552.
Notes: VOLVO CARS OF N.A. LLC., 141
2001 Volvo S80 Recall ID from NHTSA: 01V100000[/align]
Auto Recall Date: 03/26/2001
Vehicle Component: SEAT BELTS:FRONT:ANCHORAGE
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 3276
2001 VOLVO S80 Defect Summary:
VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: SEDANS AND WAGONS. THE REAR OUTBOARD SEAT BELT ANCHORAGE BOLTS MAY HAVE BEEN INCORRECTLY TIGHTENED.
Defect Consequence:
IN THE EVENT OF A CRASH, THE SEAT OCCUPANT MAY NOT BE PROPERLY RESTRAINED, INCREASING THE RISK OF INJURY.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT THE ANCHORAGE BOLTS AND TIGHTEN TO THE CORRECT TORQUE LEVEL. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN MAY 7, 2001. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE REMEDY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT VOLVO AT 1-800-458-1552.
Notes: VOLVO CARS OF NA, INC.,
2001 Volvo S80 Recall ID from NHTSA: 07E023000[/align]
Auto Recall Date: 03/29/2007
Vehicle Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:FOUNDATION COMPONENTS:MASTER CYLINDER
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 13128
2001 VOLVO S80 Defect Summary:
CERTAIN CARDONE MASTER CYLINDERS WITH DATE CODES LOWER THAN DCA7078 SOLD AS REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT FOR USE ON THE VEHICLES LISTED ABOVE. THE SEAL ON MASTER CYLINDER CAN FAIL AND LEAK BRAKE FLUID.
Defect Consequence:
LOSS OF BRAKE FLUID CAN RESULT IN POOR BRAKING PERFORMANCE, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN A VEHICLE CRASH.
Remedy:
CARDONE WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND OFFER TO REPURCHASE ANY DEFECTIVE MASTER CYLINDERS. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN DURING APRIL 2007. OWNERS CAN CONTACT CARDONE AT 1-800-777-4780.
Notes: CARDONE INDUSTRIES, INC.,
2001 Volvo S80 Recall ID from NHTSA: 06V441000[/align]
Auto Recall Date: 11/15/2006
Vehicle Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 170099
2001 VOLVO S80 Defect Summary:
ON CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES, A COMBINATION OF THROTTLE POSITIONING SENSOR IRREGULARITIES, A DIRTY THROTTLE HOUSING, AND/OR INEFFICIENT SOFTWARE CALIBRATION MAY CAUSE A WARNING LAMP TO LIGHT AND THE SUBSEQUENT ONSET OF LIMP HOME MODES.
Defect Consequence:
THIS RESULTED IN A HIGH NUMBER OF VEHICLES GOING INTO THE LIMP HOME MODE WITHOUT NEED.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSTALL THE CURRENT SOFTWARE UPGRADE ONTO THE INVOLVED VEHICLES. THE RECALL BEGAN ON DECEMBER 29, 2006. OWNERS MAY CONTACT VOLVO AT 1-800-458-1552.
Notes: VOLVO CARS OF N.A. LLC., R155
2002 Volvo S80 Recall ID from NHTSA: 07E023000[/align]
Auto Recall Date: 03/29/2007
Vehicle Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:FOUNDATION COMPONENTS:MASTER CYLINDER
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 13128
2002 VOLVO S80 Defect Summary:
CERTAIN CARDONE MASTER CYLINDERS WITH DATE CODES LOWER THAN DCA7078 SOLD AS REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT FOR USE ON THE VEHICLES LISTED ABOVE. THE SEAL ON MASTER CYLINDER CAN FAIL AND LEAK BRAKE FLUID.
Defect Consequence:
LOSS OF BRAKE FLUID CAN RESULT IN POOR BRAKING PERFORMANCE, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN A VEHICLE CRASH.
Remedy:
CARDONE WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND OFFER TO REPURCHASE ANY DEFECTIVE MASTER CYLINDERS. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN DURING APRIL 2007. OWNERS CAN CONTACT CARDONE AT 1-800-777-4780.
Notes: CARDONE INDUSTRIES, INC.,
Sometimes Master_pre's opinion does apply, that people try to fix problems on their own and end up worsening it. However, in my personal opinion, 80% (or more) of automotive-related problems, other than those caused by an accident,are due to the owners ignorance & neglect for scheduled maintenance, visual checks of fluids & leaks that do not take more than 10 minutes and you only need to do this once/week or so. Many people don't even read the owner's manual and that is the first place they fail to keep their cars in good condition.
Anyway, check the recalls, test drive it (check the engine, transmission, brakes & air conditioner as well as gauges & lights), take it to a Volvo dealer or a shop that specialises in Swedish/European makes for pre-purchase inspection. If you cannot do this, open the hood and check for fluid leaks or anything that looks unusual; you do not have to be a mechanic to recognise<
First of all, check out any recalls that have been issued against the S80. If there are any, make sure to have them repaired at a Volvo dealer. Recalls MUST BE repaired by the dealers AT NO CHARGE TO CUSTOMERS, regardless of the age & mileage of the car.
https://volvoforums.com/m_66630/tm.htm
2000 Volvo S80 Recall ID from NHTSA: 07E023000[/align]
Auto Recall Date: 03/29/2007
Vehicle Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:FOUNDATION COMPONENTS:MASTER CYLINDER
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 13128
2000 VOLVO S80 Defect Summary:
CERTAIN CARDONE MASTER CYLINDERS WITH DATE CODES LOWER THAN DCA7078 SOLD AS REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT FOR USE ON THE VEHICLES LISTED ABOVE. THE SEAL ON MASTER CYLINDER CAN FAIL AND LEAK BRAKE FLUID.
Defect Consequence:
LOSS OF BRAKE FLUID CAN RESULT IN POOR BRAKING PERFORMANCE, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN A VEHICLE CRASH.
Remedy:
CARDONE WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND OFFER TO REPURCHASE ANY DEFECTIVE MASTER CYLINDERS. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN DURING APRIL 2007. OWNERS CAN CONTACT CARDONE AT 1-800-777-4780.
Notes: CARDONE INDUSTRIES, INC.,
2000 Volvo S80 Recall ID from NHTSA: 06V441000[/align]
Auto Recall Date: 11/15/2006
Vehicle Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 170099
2000 VOLVO S80 Defect Summary:
ON CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES, A COMBINATION OF THROTTLE POSITIONING SENSOR IRREGULARITIES, A DIRTY THROTTLE HOUSING, AND/OR INEFFICIENT SOFTWARE CALIBRATION MAY CAUSE A WARNING LAMP TO LIGHT AND THE SUBSEQUENT ONSET OF LIMP HOME MODES.
Defect Consequence:
THIS RESULTED IN A HIGH NUMBER OF VEHICLES GOING INTO THE LIMP HOME MODE WITHOUT NEED.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSTALL THE CURRENT SOFTWARE UPGRADE ONTO THE INVOLVED VEHICLES. THE RECALL BEGAN ON DECEMBER 29, 2006. OWNERS MAY CONTACT VOLVO AT 1-800-458-1552.
Notes: VOLVO CARS OF N.A. LLC., R155
2000 Volvo S80 Recall ID from NHTSA: 00V238000[/align]
Auto Recall Date: 08/24/2000
Vehicle Component: SUSPENSION:FRONT:CONTROL ARM:UPPER BALL JOINT
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 49488
2000 VOLVO S80 Defect Summary:
VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: PASSENGER VEHICLES. OVER TIME, THE BALL JOINT BETWEEN THE FRONT WHEEL KING PIN AND THE SUSPENSION LINK ARM, CAN EXPERIENCE INCREASED LOOSENESS.
Defect Consequence:
THIS CONDITION COULD AFFECT THE BALL JOINT'S DURABILITY AND PERFORMANCE.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL REPLACE BOTH FRONT BALL JOINTS.
Notes: VOLVO CARS OF NA, INC., 99
2001 Volvo S80 Recall ID from NHTSA: 04V451000[/align]
Auto Recall Date: 09/13/2004
Vehicle Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:COOLING SYSTEM:FAN
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 149799
2001 VOLVO S80 Defect Summary:
ON CERTAIN PASSENGER AND SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES, UNDER CERTAIN OPERATING CONDITIONS, SOME ELECTRIC COOLING FANS MAY OVERHEAT POTENTIALLY CAUSING HEAT DAMAGE AND, IN RARE INSTANCES, A FIRE IN THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT.
Defect Consequence:
A FIRE IN THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT COULD OCCUR.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE COOLING FAN. THE RECALL BEGAN ON NOVEMBER 29, 2004. CUSTOMERS SHOULD CONTACT VOLVO CARS AT 1-800-458-1552.
Notes: VOLVO CARS OF N.A. LLC., 141
2001 Volvo S80 Recall ID from NHTSA: 01V100000[/align]
Auto Recall Date: 03/26/2001
Vehicle Component: SEAT BELTS:FRONT:ANCHORAGE
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 3276
2001 VOLVO S80 Defect Summary:
VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: SEDANS AND WAGONS. THE REAR OUTBOARD SEAT BELT ANCHORAGE BOLTS MAY HAVE BEEN INCORRECTLY TIGHTENED.
Defect Consequence:
IN THE EVENT OF A CRASH, THE SEAT OCCUPANT MAY NOT BE PROPERLY RESTRAINED, INCREASING THE RISK OF INJURY.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT THE ANCHORAGE BOLTS AND TIGHTEN TO THE CORRECT TORQUE LEVEL. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN MAY 7, 2001. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE REMEDY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT VOLVO AT 1-800-458-1552.
Notes: VOLVO CARS OF NA, INC.,
2001 Volvo S80 Recall ID from NHTSA: 07E023000[/align]
Auto Recall Date: 03/29/2007
Vehicle Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:FOUNDATION COMPONENTS:MASTER CYLINDER
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 13128
2001 VOLVO S80 Defect Summary:
CERTAIN CARDONE MASTER CYLINDERS WITH DATE CODES LOWER THAN DCA7078 SOLD AS REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT FOR USE ON THE VEHICLES LISTED ABOVE. THE SEAL ON MASTER CYLINDER CAN FAIL AND LEAK BRAKE FLUID.
Defect Consequence:
LOSS OF BRAKE FLUID CAN RESULT IN POOR BRAKING PERFORMANCE, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN A VEHICLE CRASH.
Remedy:
CARDONE WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND OFFER TO REPURCHASE ANY DEFECTIVE MASTER CYLINDERS. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN DURING APRIL 2007. OWNERS CAN CONTACT CARDONE AT 1-800-777-4780.
Notes: CARDONE INDUSTRIES, INC.,
2001 Volvo S80 Recall ID from NHTSA: 06V441000[/align]
Auto Recall Date: 11/15/2006
Vehicle Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 170099
2001 VOLVO S80 Defect Summary:
ON CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES, A COMBINATION OF THROTTLE POSITIONING SENSOR IRREGULARITIES, A DIRTY THROTTLE HOUSING, AND/OR INEFFICIENT SOFTWARE CALIBRATION MAY CAUSE A WARNING LAMP TO LIGHT AND THE SUBSEQUENT ONSET OF LIMP HOME MODES.
Defect Consequence:
THIS RESULTED IN A HIGH NUMBER OF VEHICLES GOING INTO THE LIMP HOME MODE WITHOUT NEED.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSTALL THE CURRENT SOFTWARE UPGRADE ONTO THE INVOLVED VEHICLES. THE RECALL BEGAN ON DECEMBER 29, 2006. OWNERS MAY CONTACT VOLVO AT 1-800-458-1552.
Notes: VOLVO CARS OF N.A. LLC., R155
2002 Volvo S80 Recall ID from NHTSA: 07E023000[/align]
Auto Recall Date: 03/29/2007
Vehicle Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:FOUNDATION COMPONENTS:MASTER CYLINDER
Estimated Vehicles Affected: 13128
2002 VOLVO S80 Defect Summary:
CERTAIN CARDONE MASTER CYLINDERS WITH DATE CODES LOWER THAN DCA7078 SOLD AS REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT FOR USE ON THE VEHICLES LISTED ABOVE. THE SEAL ON MASTER CYLINDER CAN FAIL AND LEAK BRAKE FLUID.
Defect Consequence:
LOSS OF BRAKE FLUID CAN RESULT IN POOR BRAKING PERFORMANCE, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN A VEHICLE CRASH.
Remedy:
CARDONE WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND OFFER TO REPURCHASE ANY DEFECTIVE MASTER CYLINDERS. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN DURING APRIL 2007. OWNERS CAN CONTACT CARDONE AT 1-800-777-4780.
Notes: CARDONE INDUSTRIES, INC.,
Sometimes Master_pre's opinion does apply, that people try to fix problems on their own and end up worsening it. However, in my personal opinion, 80% (or more) of automotive-related problems, other than those caused by an accident,are due to the owners ignorance & neglect for scheduled maintenance, visual checks of fluids & leaks that do not take more than 10 minutes and you only need to do this once/week or so. Many people don't even read the owner's manual and that is the first place they fail to keep their cars in good condition.
Anyway, check the recalls, test drive it (check the engine, transmission, brakes & air conditioner as well as gauges & lights), take it to a Volvo dealer or a shop that specialises in Swedish/European makes for pre-purchase inspection. If you cannot do this, open the hood and check for fluid leaks or anything that looks unusual; you do not have to be a mechanic to recognise<
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