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Old 07-29-2024 | 02:12 PM
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Angry Timing running rich or lean

Car keeps throwing codes - running rich as oil gets older so I threw in some higher viscosity oil, now it throws the P0012 retarded code. Anyone figure out how to fix this error code without having to change the oil all the time?? Swapped out both VVT and Cam sensor - still have error.

73K miles on a 2009 T6 XC70
 
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Old 07-29-2024 | 05:15 PM
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the VVT is driven by oil pressure and the galleys can get clogged over time so throwing in thicker oil will probably make the problem worse. My suggestion is to go back to correct weight oil and use a brand name full synthetic. I suppose you can try a Seafoam treatment to see if that removes any gunk. When you say you swapped out the VVT what exactly did you do? If you pulled off the gear, have you checked the timing marks? With that said, I'm not sure how the running rich condition correlates to the oil's age. How did you determine the engine is running rich? ie are you getting CEL codes or misfires or sooty plugs?
 
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Old 07-29-2024 | 06:11 PM
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Mt6127 I changed the timing valves, intake and exhaust, and cam position sensor. As the oil ages you get a running rich bank1 PO172 code. Of course as the oil ages it gets thinner, so I added a quart of thicker than suggested oil but still within Volvo specs, to the proper levels of course. It went from a P0172 to a P0012

Intake (A) Camshaft Position Timing – Over-Retarded (Bank 1)

I swapped out the new parts and replaced them with the original parts, same error.
If I change the oil and replace the filter, the car runs fine for a few weeks then back to the P0172 error. It seems like a common problem with these cars and all anyone says is "change the oil". I am looking for an actual solution.
 
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Old 07-30-2024 | 04:46 PM
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OK so I had the oil changed - 25miles on a new oil change and it threw the P0012 code again. I am at a loss...
 
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Old 08-01-2024 | 04:03 PM
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I'm wondering if you need to check the timing marks on the cam gear - you say you replaced the solenoid and sensor so the only other component in play is the cam gear. usually when cam gears fail they create oil leaks which you didn't mention so I'd have to think its either timed wrong or you may have connectivity issues. perhaps cleaning the connectors and reseating the ECU? Ever test for system voltage while driving to see if it drops below 12V or so periodically (can cause spurious fault codes)? It may be worth the $150 to have a Volvo shop do some run time diagnostics for you.
 
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