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Old Jan 31, 2009 | 10:50 PM
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Default Ok, Big Turbo Time 330+HP Evolve!!!!!!!

ok here is the deal, im ganna drop 3k into this turbo system I found at turbokits.com. I have a 2006 S40 T5 FWD 6-speed w/K&N Typhoon CAIand 47,XXX miles. the turbo, its for the C30 T5 but my cars has the same enging and everything so it will fit. my question is. will the volvo's stock enternals be able to take that extra boost? i dont want to be throwing rods! here is the link http://www.turbokits.com/c30_turbo_kits.html tell me if yall have any suggestions! oh and if you dont know what your talking about, dont bother tring to help. ive seen to many of these internet guys jack stuff up and run there mouths so, pros only. i want to turn my car into the Evolve or Heico. its not the color i prefer but oh well, its the perch blue/graphite. oh and anyone know were i can get some sideskirts or Volution weels for cheap, not directly from the site.. there $$$ i hate thoses crappy black plastic base bords. looks cheap.!!
 
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 02:56 AM
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Never heard of turbokits.com so no comment on them.
Now I know that ATPturbo has a good rep. Check out their turbo kits! (Click Here)
You are going to have to get a serious tune to run those upgrades. Call IPD, EVOLVE..etc, and check if they have some Maps for that kind of setup, or you will have to do some dyno tuning at a local shop, unless you are a DIY tuner with a MS or Haltech unit.
I highly suggest you get a wideband AF gauge so you can keep an Eye on the AFs, for if you run too lean, your internals will eat Sh*T!
To play it safe...I would also suggest Water or Methanol injection to help prevent detonation.
Also check out VS for they mess with this stuff more than here.
As for the skirts and wheels....you will have to look in the for sale section of the forums (here, turbobricks, VS, Swedespeed...etc.)
I know that a stock redblock can take a good beating, but not sure on the whiteblocks (I have seen the R motors @ 385hp).
I believe Tech knows what these cars limits are. He might offer some advice you you.
 

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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 08:03 AM
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ok cool man, ill def look at thos othere turbo sites! see if the are any better. and thanx also for telling me about the sales area, i never noticed it. i have some UGLY Veloche' Chrome rims on my that sum thug-a-boo put on my Volvo, ill see if i cant sell them there! Also. you were talking about different block, the RED or White? which one do i have and what are the limit differences between the two.One more thing. as for the Tune after the Turbo install, Could i call EvolveCars.com and tell them what i have and they make a custom tune for it? cuz i went to there site and i saw that they had ReMaps you could buy but there were for mostly stock cars.

P.S. = Dose anyone know what the name of the engine is in my car? like my old car had a 4G64 in it. so what is the Tech name for the Volvos?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 08:27 AM
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The internals in these things unless they recently changed them is a little over 300 and you will start breaking things.

You have the white motor. The white motor(All aluminum) started in the 92 960 then has been in almost every Volvo since 1995.

If you look under the hood there should be a white sticker that has black writing on it.
There will be a spot that says engine family and it will say something like B5254T3 that should be the motor that is in it.

I would contact Evolve and IPD and see if they have a program yet to match the setup you want.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 08:41 AM
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cool Tech. yeh, i dont think ill be running much over 300 or so for awhile. im fixing to run Autocross so i have to lay off the mods after the turbo, they'll take me out of the class a wreck shop in!!! hehe. ok , do you know were i could pick up some forge pistons wrist ins, heads etc? anyone make hardcore parts like that for volvo? also. the turbo kits i found on the ATP site are what ever...they are the same ones!!! only cheaper!!! GGGRRR turbokits.com =evil . i figure i could throw that kit on myself after i remove the 5 1/2 tons of skid plates and shrouds! man they seal these S40s up tight!!! can i just throw it on and run with stock boost/fule/air Etc and be fine till i get the tune or do i have to do it then and there?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 08:53 AM
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You might be able to run it like that for a little while but not 100% sure.
The best would be to have it tuned when you put it on there.

I know there is company's out there that make parts for the Volvo's but not sure if they caught up to the 2004.5 and up motors yet. They are a little different but overall same motor since the 1992 design. They did change some stuff for them but not everything.

I know on the older ones volvomotorsports.com sells stuff to build the motor. But they are way expensive!!!!

The heavy performance aspect on these things is kind of lacking in the market.

But there is a few places out there. You just need to find them.

I wish I had more info to help but I haven't done any research on the newer ones yet.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 09:03 AM
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alright cool, thanks for the help, at lest you honest and not bullsh*titng me. yeah, ill search around and tell you what i find. the engines are 20V right? hopfully i can become a pro at the S40 and help othere people out on here!
 
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 09:35 AM
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1.How much boost are you planning on running with this upgraded turbo system?

2. Are you even planning on doing exhaust mods with this turbo upgrade? If not right away your going to slight yourself.

3. I agree and highly suggest a wideband A/F gauge as well as a boost gauge and more then likely an EGT gauge.

4. Water or Methanol is a great idea to help out with issues of detonation and while most people on this forum don't use it, other forum people do and have good success with it.

Also you can contact these companies about tunes, but I doubt they will be able to help you that much. If you have a local dyno tuner I'd look into them and see what they can offer.
 

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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 10:20 AM
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Yes it is a 20V motor.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 10:27 AM
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300 + HP in a FWD car!?!

Holy torque steer bat man!

Please tell me there's a limited slip in the front!

This sounds like it'll be a blast.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 10:41 AM
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lol yeah, by friend has a 450HP SRT 4 it shoots flames out the back and sounds like 9000 blenders next to your ear. but his motor is worked over, he has big cams, big turbo,exhuast idk how much boost, id say 11 -12 or so, just to be safe. the front end is stock and yes.......more TQ street than you could possible imagine!!! i just want to be around 300HP to be happy. obiovsly id put a exhaust system on it to help it breath and reduce back pressure. i alreads have a CAI, but i dont have a Mass Air flow or any regulator gauges. ok so guve me a punch list so i wont forget anything . here is some specs.

I Want:
290-310 HP

I Have:
Stock exhaust
K&N Typhoon intake

I Needyou guys add to it)
Turbo kit(taken care of) has manifold,turbo,piping,BOV,hardware
Boost gauges
Mass Airflow sencer?
Exhuast + 3 inch down pipe
ECU/Remap/Flash
what else...?


Now take note, this is a Volvo, not a 9000HP John force funny car. this is for street and track. its a daily driver so i prolly wanna controll boost. Recommendations?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 12:52 PM
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OK.....Stop there!
I am pretty sure that if you just want to make 290-310hp....YOU dont need to get the turbo kit!
Here is what you will need: CAI (which it looks like you have), Custom turbo-back Exhaust. The stock turbo should be good for ~20psi (I beleive it is a 15G or better), but I dont know what kind of octane you will be running, so ~18psi should be the limit. If you need to upgrade the turbo, try and find a 18T or 19T turbo, and run that at ~15-18psi. Get a good tune up (Stage 0), and an IPD ECU upgrade, or EVOLVE....etc. and with just those three, you should be ~300hp. You will still need the boostgauge and the wideband gauge, and If you have the money (~$900), I would really consider doing the Water injection! You can actually find all these things at IPD (Click Here)
FYI....RSI (Click Here) sells forged internals for all volvo models and they have custom pistons...etc. Just call them and see what they can do for you. Actually, another good upgrade would be a custom FMIC, or you can get EVOLVEs.

And since you will save money by not getting a turbo kit, you can save the extra money for some nice Coilovers and swaybars, or a set of sport springs and some Bilstein HDs or KONIs shocks/struts and swaybars. Since you will be AutoXing (dont know how much you will be doing it), I would recommend the coilovers for their adjustability, and descent ride quality!

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Oh and after doing some research.....Stay away from VMS (volvomotorsports.com), Apperantly it is just a scam site, which was started on one of the forums (turbobricks or VS or Swedespeed). I keep hearing about how terrible they are, and if you look, every Item they sell is a direct copy to the crap you find on EBAY! STAY AWAY!

Good luck dude! and make this your project thread, so we can follow your upgrades, and we can leave you some verbal abuse !!!!
 

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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 01:58 PM
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Great reply TIPSP, I was going to recommend a well made FMIC as well, as I'm not sure the of the max boost that they can handle (mine looks to be plastic?)

I would also go with some better internals, just so you don't invest all of your money, and time, just to have an internal failure.

How about a better rated fuel pump?
Larger injectors?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 03:57 PM
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The stock IC might handle 300hp, but it might be pushing it. You can get an entire Ebay IC kit (IC, and piping, and Clamps) for ~$185. A lot of people go the ebay route.
I dont remember what the stock T-5 injectors are rated at, but they should be good for 18+psi, I know that tech is running ~17psi in his 850s, and I think they are the stock injectors (correct?). My 745T stock injectors are 30lbs injectors, and the brown tops found on the 850s are about the same (a little more), so the newer models might have even be more. The stock pump should be good for these turbos and psi levels. Now if you were to upgrade to a GT30R or bigger @ 20+psi, then I suggest you upgrade to 60+lbs injectors, and a Walbro 255.
 

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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 06:05 PM
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aww sweet TIPS!!! yeah, you mave just talked some scence into me. now the only thing i dont know about is the water injection...what does that do? and what exactly will a wide band do. thanks for the advice on the shockes and bars. the S40 t5 has pretty bad bodie roll on her. shes got a fat a$$. and DEF thanks about the heads up on Volvomotorsports. com i have been to that site and saw some stuff i wanted, but ill take your advice! if rather be safe than sorry.

GANNA SAY THIS NOW: im impressed with a lot of yall, you have logic thinking and are not dumbasses like the 3g-eclipse website i use to be with. very knowledgeable...

So, scrap the last idea, no turbo kit... i can do that laater if i feel. get a full exhaust system+ 3.in downpipe , and Evolve Tune for 93 Octane(all i will ever use on my baby girl) stock Hp is about 200 to the floor. tune says it is good for 35HP to the ground, K&N +2-5 hp, Full exhust plus 3 incher downpipe and high flow cats. guess around 15HP? and other misc. stuff. sound right?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 06:08 PM
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oh forgot, you said Tune and ECU, are they different, besides the fact that the ECU is a remap. i thought that was the same as a dyno tunning?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 11:09 PM
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Stage 0 is just getting the car to the way it left the factory. Oil change, Spark plugs, and wire...etc. Then get all the add ons (exhaust, intake) and then you get the ECU upgrade, that should put you about ~280hp, but if you add the 18T turbo @~18psi, you should go above 300hp.

A wideband controller uses a windband O2 sensor, which then attaches to the gague and gives you an accurate Air to Fuel ratio. It will tell you if you are running too lean or too rich, and both arent good for an engine. Unlike a narrow band sensor which basicly only tell when you are around Stoich (~14.7:1). The wideband tells you the AFs all the way from 8.0:1-20:1.

Water injection is something you should add when doing high boost levels. It will hook up to the windshield washer reservoir which then goes through a pump, which then squirts a stream of water into the intake to lower the temperature, to help prevent detonation. It is ~$1000 new, but you might find a used setup. It is something I would consider doing if you go over 300hp on the stock internals.

So your setup should include:
Needed: CAI, 3" turbo-back exhaust, stock turbo @ ~18psi and an ECU upgrade, boost gauge, AF gauge, and EGT temp Gauge. Might take ~$1100 to do this, but you will be happy at these minor upgrades. I would also suggest you hit up the suspension before you do any more power adders.
Optional items: 18T turbo, Water injections, slight upgraded injectors...etc. It might take ~$3000 to finalize your setup, but you will love, and your tires will hate you.
 

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