Gas leak in the engine bay - Leak found
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RE: Gas leak in the engine bay - Leak found
ORIGINAL: Ricardo12
I have a 1999 Volvo S80 2.9 with 90,000 + miles and lately I have noticed gas fumes from time to time with in the last year. I have looked various places but have not been able to find any fuel leaks. I have not removed the rear seat and looked under it. The odder seems to be strongest near the right rear side on the car after it is parked in our enclosedgarage. I have not noticed the odder when the car is moving,parked out in the open or when I am inside the car. I looked up under the right rear wheel well and there is a canister of sort with what appears to have a pipe coming out of one endwith nothing attachedto it.
I recently changed the spark plus and Ihave noticed that in the morning it takes a little longer to start. If I turn on the ignition switch and wait a second or two it will start faster than trying to start it immediately.
I am interested in knowing what you find and where I can look. Thenhow to fix the problem.
I have a 1999 Volvo S80 2.9 with 90,000 + miles and lately I have noticed gas fumes from time to time with in the last year. I have looked various places but have not been able to find any fuel leaks. I have not removed the rear seat and looked under it. The odder seems to be strongest near the right rear side on the car after it is parked in our enclosedgarage. I have not noticed the odder when the car is moving,parked out in the open or when I am inside the car. I looked up under the right rear wheel well and there is a canister of sort with what appears to have a pipe coming out of one endwith nothing attachedto it.
I recently changed the spark plus and Ihave noticed that in the morning it takes a little longer to start. If I turn on the ignition switch and wait a second or two it will start faster than trying to start it immediately.
I am interested in knowing what you find and where I can look. Thenhow to fix the problem.
Thanks for your input.
#22
RE: Gas leak in the engine bay - Leak found
1999 S80 Volvo
I did some searching today and foundthere is a leak coming from the top of the fuel tank. There isfuel seeping down the outside of the tank. I could notsee the where the leak starts. Just the trail.
I tried removing the rear seat bottom and back but could not get them loose. Anyone know how to remove them?
I was able to move the back of the seat enough to see a round cover plate about 6 or 7 inches in diameter right over the area of where I think the leak is but I can not get to it with out removing the seat. I think by removing the seat back only it would allow me to get to the cover plate without removing the seat bottom.
I did some searching today and foundthere is a leak coming from the top of the fuel tank. There isfuel seeping down the outside of the tank. I could notsee the where the leak starts. Just the trail.
I tried removing the rear seat bottom and back but could not get them loose. Anyone know how to remove them?
I was able to move the back of the seat enough to see a round cover plate about 6 or 7 inches in diameter right over the area of where I think the leak is but I can not get to it with out removing the seat. I think by removing the seat back only it would allow me to get to the cover plate without removing the seat bottom.
#23
RE: Gas leak in the engine bay - Leak found
ORIGINAL: Ricardo12
1999 S80 Volvo
I did some searching today and foundthere is a leak coming from the top of the fuel tank. There isfuel seeping down the outside of the tank. I could notsee the where the leak starts. Just the trail.
I tried removing the rear seat bottom and back but could not get them loose. Anyone know how to remove them?
I was able to move the back of the seat enough to see a round cover plate about 6 or 7 inches in diameter right over the area of where I think the leak is but I can not get to it with out removing the seat. I think by removing the seat back only it would allow me to get to the cover plate without removing the seat bottom.
1999 S80 Volvo
I did some searching today and foundthere is a leak coming from the top of the fuel tank. There isfuel seeping down the outside of the tank. I could notsee the where the leak starts. Just the trail.
I tried removing the rear seat bottom and back but could not get them loose. Anyone know how to remove them?
I was able to move the back of the seat enough to see a round cover plate about 6 or 7 inches in diameter right over the area of where I think the leak is but I can not get to it with out removing the seat. I think by removing the seat back only it would allow me to get to the cover plate without removing the seat bottom.
Please keep us posted on ur fix. Thanks.
1999S80T6
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RE: Gas leak in the engine bay - Leak found
Yes the circular one on the passenger side isthe one I see. I did not know there are two.
The problem I am having is I can not get the seatorside cushion out. If I could get the side cushion removed I think I can get the seat back cushion out.
The first picture has'Remove the right side cushion. See Side Cushion.' If you could sendthat it might help me to remove the side cushion.
Is there a trick to getting the seat cushion out? I tried several hours yesterday to remove it and can't.
The problem I am having is I can not get the seatorside cushion out. If I could get the side cushion removed I think I can get the seat back cushion out.
The first picture has'Remove the right side cushion. See Side Cushion.' If you could sendthat it might help me to remove the side cushion.
Is there a trick to getting the seat cushion out? I tried several hours yesterday to remove it and can't.
#26
RE: Gas leak in the engine bay - Leak found
I tried again today several times to remove the rear seat bottom cushion by pushing down, back and then up but I can not get it out. I can get a finger in to feel the place where it catches so I think I am pushing in the right area. I also tried the side cushions and I see one release near the center and think there's one at the bottom but can not get to that one with the seat bottom in.
If you could give a more detailed information about removing the bottom seat I would appreciate it.
If you could give a more detailed information about removing the bottom seat I would appreciate it.
#27
RE: Gas leak in the engine bay - Leak found
Ricardo -
Sorry I was at work and couldn't give you the info on time. Attached are 3rd of 4 pages of the document and also the 'See Side Cushion' page.
As Tech suggested, you will have to push it up I guess. Let me know if you need anything else.
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Sorry I was at work and couldn't give you the info on time. Attached are 3rd of 4 pages of the document and also the 'See Side Cushion' page.
As Tech suggested, you will have to push it up I guess. Let me know if you need anything else.
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RE: Gas leak in the engine bay - Leak found
Thanks for the pictures. I will try to get the cushions out this afternoon.
I have just about given up on trying to remove them. If I can not get them out I guess I'll have to go to the dealer.
One dealer has quoted $700 to repair plus the parts needed. Another dealer is at $930 dollars to replace fuel pumpand sender. Both quotes are with the information Igave them without their seeing the car.
I have just about given up on trying to remove them. If I can not get them out I guess I'll have to go to the dealer.
One dealer has quoted $700 to repair plus the parts needed. Another dealer is at $930 dollars to replace fuel pumpand sender. Both quotes are with the information Igave them without their seeing the car.
#31
RE: Gas leak in the engine bay - Leak found
Surprise! Surprise! I got the seat bottom out. It took two of us pulling straight up to get it up. You need to pull up on both sides of where the clip is located in the diagrams you sent. Again thank you for the diagrams. No pushing down or back just pull or yank straight up. You would think that you are going to bend or break something.
I'll try to get the side and back cushions out tomorrow. I'll continue informing with my findings as I get to the leak.
I'll try to get the side and back cushions out tomorrow. I'll continue informing with my findings as I get to the leak.
#32
RE: Gas leak in the engine bay - Delivery Pipe
Some background - I took the car to the dealer to check on what I suspected as an engine oil leak (apart from the fuel leak I have) and he said it's not the engine oil that is leaking, it's the fuel leak at the point where the DELIVERY PIPE MEETS THE FUEL RAIL. I suspected an engine oil leak too because the oil that is leaking is viscous, not like gasoline; but the dealer says there is no engine oil leak. {3 weeks ago, the dealer removed the engine oil pan and cleaned it}.
So he ordered a new delivery pipe for $44 with is going to be delivered and fixed on Monday (10/29/2007).
Question:
How difficult is it to fix the delivery pipe myself? Do I have to remove too many other parts to access the delivery pipe? Or do I have to leave this work to the dealer ($270)?
Where is the delivery pipe located?
Attached is a pic of parts for the fuel delivery pipes. Is the circled one the delivery pipe that is leaking?
Any tips and cautions to replace this, other than draining the fuel system?
Thanks.
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So he ordered a new delivery pipe for $44 with is going to be delivered and fixed on Monday (10/29/2007).
Question:
How difficult is it to fix the delivery pipe myself? Do I have to remove too many other parts to access the delivery pipe? Or do I have to leave this work to the dealer ($270)?
Where is the delivery pipe located?
Attached is a pic of parts for the fuel delivery pipes. Is the circled one the delivery pipe that is leaking?
Any tips and cautions to replace this, other than draining the fuel system?
Thanks.
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#35
RE: Gas leak in the engine bay - Delivery Pipe
There is a set of fuel line release tools kind of like the A/C line tools that you will need.
I forget exactly which size it is that you will need.
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A set like that.
I forget exactly which size it is that you will need.
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A set like that.
#36
RE: Gas leak in the engine bay - Delivery Pipe
I finally got the seat out and can see the top of the fuel pump which has gasoline on it. I have been wiping itclean and will try to locate exactly where the gas leakis after I have everything clean and dry. I think it is leaking aroundthe discharge line coming out of the fuel pump. It might be the fitting where the discharge hose attaches.
There are twoplastic 90 degree tubescoming out of thepump. One is for the return line and the other is the discharge line. There is a fitting between the discharge fuel hose, that appears to connect the fuel hose and the plastic line coming out ofthe fuel pump. I think the leak is in that area.
I can not tell if the hose and the connection is one part or if the connection and the fuel pump are one piece or if it is three separate parts. (Hose, Connector, Fuel Pump)
Does anyone know or have a diagram showing the connections from the fuel pump to the hoses?
If it is leaking in that area any ideas with how to fix it?
There are twoplastic 90 degree tubescoming out of thepump. One is for the return line and the other is the discharge line. There is a fitting between the discharge fuel hose, that appears to connect the fuel hose and the plastic line coming out ofthe fuel pump. I think the leak is in that area.
I can not tell if the hose and the connection is one part or if the connection and the fuel pump are one piece or if it is three separate parts. (Hose, Connector, Fuel Pump)
Does anyone know or have a diagram showing the connections from the fuel pump to the hoses?
If it is leaking in that area any ideas with how to fix it?
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#38
RE: Gas leak in the engine bay - Delivery Pipe
The discharge line is the one on the left. That is where I think the fuel leaking is coming from. Tomorrow I hope to know exactly where the leak is located.
I do not know what you are referring to as the round thing. The line on the left goes away from the pump and downunderneath. There is a round thing that both of the fuel lines go into on top of the fuel pump.
I tooka digital picture of the pump but the file is to large to upload.If there is another way to send it let me know how.
I do not know what you are referring to as the round thing. The line on the left goes away from the pump and downunderneath. There is a round thing that both of the fuel lines go into on top of the fuel pump.
I tooka digital picture of the pump but the file is to large to upload.If there is another way to send it let me know how.
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RE: Gas leak in the engine bay - Delivery Pipe
I found the leak. It is on the plastic part of the return line just before it goes into the round thing on top of the fuel pump.
I reset the camera settings and was able to upload the picture and I have the 'embed picture in post' checked but I do not know where it is. Maybe it will show up when I send this note. If the picture showsthe leak is to the right of my finger betweenthe black connector and the round thing with the + in the center. There it is a small crack just below the round part of the +.
Now I have to decide if I want to do the repairs or tow it to the dealer.
After studying the fuel tank pictures it appears that the fuel pump innards are also attached to the bottom of the level sensor on the drivers side of the tank and the sensorwill need to be removed.
Does anyone know where I can find detailed instructions about replacing the fuel pump?
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I reset the camera settings and was able to upload the picture and I have the 'embed picture in post' checked but I do not know where it is. Maybe it will show up when I send this note. If the picture showsthe leak is to the right of my finger betweenthe black connector and the round thing with the + in the center. There it is a small crack just below the round part of the +.
Now I have to decide if I want to do the repairs or tow it to the dealer.
After studying the fuel tank pictures it appears that the fuel pump innards are also attached to the bottom of the level sensor on the drivers side of the tank and the sensorwill need to be removed.
Does anyone know where I can find detailed instructions about replacing the fuel pump?
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