Off Topic A place for you car junkies to boldly post off topic. Anything Goes.

Did I install a bad alternator?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 06-17-2014, 09:35 PM
rspi's Avatar
Administrator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 15,765
Likes: 0
Received 30 Likes on 29 Posts
Unhappy Did I install a bad alternator?

My niece has a 2001 Lexus IS 300 which has been having issues with the battery/alternator. I went to the car yesterday and it was DEAD. So I pulled the battery, took it to AutoZone, they charged it and said the battery is good. So I clean the battery post and the cable connectors, install the battery and fire it up. I have a www.ScanGauge.com (an OBD2 tool) so I plug that in and watch the volts.

When started the volts read 14.1. I take the car for a drive and the first stop or 2 the volts drop to 13.6 - 13.8, no big deal. About a mile away, 3 minutes into the drive, I stop at a light and the volts drop to 12.3 - 12.4. I drive a few miles and at stops the volts drop as low as 11.7. I figure the alternator is dropping off line and at low idles, I may just be reading battery voltage. It goes a little higher when I turn off the AC and head lights.

So I figure the alternator has an issue. I tell my brother and suggest a Toyota or Lexus part, he calls his son that works at a Lexus dealer, they call me back and tell me to go to a local auto parts store and get a new alternator for $125 with a lifetime warranty. I don't put up a fight and go forward and install the store box alternator.

I crank the car, 14.4 volts, I drive the car and a mile down the road I stop at a traffic light and the darn volts drop to 12.2 - 12.4. Another mile down the road and it drops to 11.9 volts. While driving it is between 13.8 - 14.2 volts.

Did I get a bad alternator from the store or does this car have another issue?
 

Last edited by rspi; 06-18-2014 at 06:35 PM. Reason: typo
  #2  
Old 06-18-2014, 07:06 AM
pkrface's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 486
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Tough call. I have been burned enough buying cheap parts from discount parts stores that I would definitely suspect the "new" alternator. A little spooky though that the symptom is the same with both alternators, but at the same time that is how an alternator with a bad voltage regulator acts.
 
  #3  
Old 06-18-2014, 06:36 PM
rspi's Avatar
Administrator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 15,765
Likes: 0
Received 30 Likes on 29 Posts
Default

Yea, I think I got a bad rebuild. I once changed one on a Mini and the darn thing caught fire in about 20 seconds. I will likely change it out.
 
  #4  
Old 06-18-2014, 06:58 PM
difflock54's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Kapiti Coast. Wellington. NZ
Posts: 648
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

If the voltage is dropping when you are stationery only, but with the engine running could that not be due to the battery being fully charged?
I note you said that whilst driving the voltage is between 13.8 - 14.2, about normal so it is not drawing excessive power when the car is operating and mobile.
If the battery was down a bit the voltage reading whilst stationery would of course be higher to top the battery back up wouldn't it?
 
  #5  
Old 06-18-2014, 09:44 PM
rspi's Avatar
Administrator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 15,765
Likes: 0
Received 30 Likes on 29 Posts
Default

My thoughts and experience is that the voltage regulator should keep with voltage steady throughout the operational range. When my car is idle the volts read between 13.4 - 13.6, while driving around 13.7. If it drops below 13.2 it is likely not charging at all. I could be wrong. :?
 
  #6  
Old 06-19-2014, 01:07 AM
H0lD mY d6InK's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Kennesaw, Georgia
Posts: 133
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Ha, you got me curious. Which store did you go to?
 
  #7  
Old 06-19-2014, 05:41 PM
rspi's Avatar
Administrator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 15,765
Likes: 0
Received 30 Likes on 29 Posts
Default

AutoZone...
 
  #8  
Old 06-19-2014, 08:59 PM
difflock54's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Kapiti Coast. Wellington. NZ
Posts: 648
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Yes, true but if the battery is fully charged, is not the regulator mean't to adjust the charge(voltage) to suit the load drawn off or necessary to maintain the battery at its correct full charge. Any more is really just cooking it.
Using my 'Ultragauge' on my V40 at idle my readings are 13.6 or a little more without accessories etc.
Whilst on the move it goes up to a range of 14.2 through to 14.6.
My installed battery is 7 years old now and still operating without any issues.
 
  #9  
Old 06-19-2014, 11:35 PM
H0lD mY d6InK's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Kennesaw, Georgia
Posts: 133
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Ha ha!! I knew it. I have heard many times from many people that there line of alternators called tough-one or something, are absolute rubbish. They are all refurbished. Almost all the stories I have heard of are people putting them in and immediately having problems( like bad bearings or not charging correctly at all like in your case). Go and get your money back sir. I am in no way saying a refurbished alternator is bad, just that one sucks. I have heard far more bad then good about auto zones alternators. Sorry man.
 
  #10  
Old 06-19-2014, 11:42 PM
H0lD mY d6InK's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Kennesaw, Georgia
Posts: 133
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I forgot to mention that I am in no way laughing at you, it is just that when I read your post and how you said you went to a local store and got one with a life-time warranty, I knew it had to have been that one. I know the lifetime warranty is tempting. If that is what you are really looking for, get an alternator from fcp. They take anything back for any reason, from you dont like the way it looks to 5 years later it fails.
 
  #11  
Old 06-20-2014, 09:48 AM
rspi's Avatar
Administrator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 15,765
Likes: 0
Received 30 Likes on 29 Posts
Default

LOL, I know it's not personal and I got a good laugh from your post as well. The crazy thing about this is that my niece's brother-in-law works at a Lexus dealer. I was shocked when he recommended they get a alternator from AutoZone.

In 95% of the cases, a "lifetime warranty" means they hope you get rid of the car before the part fails.

I was told that my battery was bad about 14 months ago. Still driving with it around the country. It drained down real low when I was having charging issues in my 850.
 
  #12  
Old 06-20-2014, 09:41 PM
difflock54's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Kapiti Coast. Wellington. NZ
Posts: 648
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Smile

Originally Posted by rspi

I was told that my battery was bad about 14 months ago. Still driving with it around the country. It drained down real low when I was having charging issues in my 850.
Maybe that has something to do with your voltage readings?
Have you tried a different (good) battery in the vehicle and noted the voltage readings at idle or running as previously for any change. i.e. improvement
The new alternator may be struggling to handle the voltage loss from the old battery?
Just another theory Robert.
 
  #13  
Old 06-20-2014, 10:58 PM
H0lD mY d6InK's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Kennesaw, Georgia
Posts: 133
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Wow, It just occurred to me what you said also. Why would he have recommended you to auto zone lol. Thought he would have thrown his own alternator in your face.
 
  #14  
Old 06-21-2014, 08:45 AM
rspi's Avatar
Administrator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 15,765
Likes: 0
Received 30 Likes on 29 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by difflock54
Maybe that has something to do with your voltage readings?
Have you tried a different (good) battery in the vehicle and noted the voltage readings at idle or running as previously for any change. i.e. improvement
The new alternator may be struggling to handle the voltage loss from the old battery?
Just another theory Robert.
It is NOT my 850 with the problem. The issue is on a Lexus.
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
dekaband
Volvo 240, 740 & 940
16
12-07-2010 11:26 AM
96960Chris
General Volvo Chat
3
11-05-2010 03:50 AM
Karrilee
Volvo S80
5
09-26-2010 07:01 AM
Squiggy
Volvo 850
9
12-22-2009 10:11 PM
ExtremeODD
Volvo 240, 740 & 940
1
02-15-2008 05:59 PM



Quick Reply: Did I install a bad alternator?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:22 PM.