Volvo 850 transmission issues... HELP PLEASE!
#21
#24
well if I am sold 2 fluids of different brands that are the same standard, why would I not mix it? Can't you mix to engine oils such as 10W30 of two different brands? What is the difference? Not saying you are wrong, just wondering why you can't mix those 2 tranny fluids if they are of the same standard?
Also, do you really think it would mess up my tranny so badly?
So, at this point, what would you do???
Also, do you really think it would mess up my tranny so badly?
So, at this point, what would you do???
#25
#27
sorry this is driving you nuts.l feel you. do not drain the fluid yet, wait on KISS and lets see what he has to say about mixing tranny oil. l will message robert(rspi) about this and see his opinion on this. he might be of help.
#28
now I have 3 sick volvos :-(
Yes also have a 740 and 262.... ;-) but not running for now
#29
[QUOTE=262740850;343739]I can't tell you how much I appreciate people like you, I fixed so many things thanks to people like you and this forum. For once I thought I was doing the right thing to do some preventive maintenance and I messed up something. I fixed so many issues the last 6 months... but this one is a big bummer!
now I have 3 sick volvos :-(
Yes also have a 740 and 262.... ;-) but not running for now[/QUOTE
No problem brother. l messaged Robert and sent him your thread link. he should be able to get back on your thread tomorrow and lets see what he has to say. yea l understand you tried to do your own preventive maintenance and it messed up, but thats how you learn.went through the same thing(not the same problem you having) a different problem and this site was such a help to me. l am hoping you will get help ASAP and get your baby back on the road. you can make another thread about your other volvos when this thread is solved and closed.
now I have 3 sick volvos :-(
Yes also have a 740 and 262.... ;-) but not running for now[/QUOTE
No problem brother. l messaged Robert and sent him your thread link. he should be able to get back on your thread tomorrow and lets see what he has to say. yea l understand you tried to do your own preventive maintenance and it messed up, but thats how you learn.went through the same thing(not the same problem you having) a different problem and this site was such a help to me. l am hoping you will get help ASAP and get your baby back on the road. you can make another thread about your other volvos when this thread is solved and closed.
#32
I am in TX Yes, you?
I plan on getting the 262 Bertone back on the road, will tell you her story and you won't believe it. Hardly nobody knows in the US how to fix that V6 engine PRV (Peugeot Renault Volvo) but I found a guy who did it, not even the Volvo dealer had it right.... believe it or not.
As for the 740, I will give away and sell parts, will probably crush it as it's not worth it to fix it. Beside, it's quite a Brick! ;-)
Thanks again, hopefuly my baby 850 will fly again soon...
I plan on getting the 262 Bertone back on the road, will tell you her story and you won't believe it. Hardly nobody knows in the US how to fix that V6 engine PRV (Peugeot Renault Volvo) but I found a guy who did it, not even the Volvo dealer had it right.... believe it or not.
As for the 740, I will give away and sell parts, will probably crush it as it's not worth it to fix it. Beside, it's quite a Brick! ;-)
Thanks again, hopefuly my baby 850 will fly again soon...
#35
I'm not the transmission fluid expert but yes you can mix them. After all you did add some Lucas and that is mixing also
I'm running Ford type F in mine and it's working fine. I wouldn't recommend that to anyone else though it's an old Chevy trick for replacing Dexron and I haven't seen anyone else doing it to the Volvo (Aisin-Warner) trans.
To a degree, oil is oil. Same with engine oil. If you mix brands, no problem. If you mix synthetic with regular you are just diluting the expensive synthetic with the regular.
If you mix weights, you end up with a hybrid somewhere between the thickest and the thinnest your mixing together. Like 5W30 and 10W30 you would end up with 7.5W30 if you used it 50/50.
Transmission oil in very general terms is a 10 weight oil.
In your case as long as you were using containers that specify they are backwards compatible (and they were) with dexron II or III, the mixing of fluids shouldn't be your problem.
Having said all that, I still find it bothersome that this all started exactly after you put in fresh fluid. I used to work in fleet maintenance and there is a bit of history on automatics having been "Power Flushed" and then starting to slip badly with high miles if they hadn't been serviced regularly previously.
There is always a chance the grit in the fluid was all that was holding it together but that's usually when you flush out all 9 quarts at once. You only pulled out 2.5 to 3.5 if you sucked it up through the stick. I'm pretty sure that's all that is sitting in the pan of our AW50-42 LEs
Without the transmission tripping a code I just don't know where else to go with this one.
You could always try this site and see if anyone has a red flag from the two fluids you mixed. These guys talk about oil the way I talk about a great steak or a fine woman, IN DETAIL !!
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...s.php?ubb=cfrm
I'm running Ford type F in mine and it's working fine. I wouldn't recommend that to anyone else though it's an old Chevy trick for replacing Dexron and I haven't seen anyone else doing it to the Volvo (Aisin-Warner) trans.
To a degree, oil is oil. Same with engine oil. If you mix brands, no problem. If you mix synthetic with regular you are just diluting the expensive synthetic with the regular.
If you mix weights, you end up with a hybrid somewhere between the thickest and the thinnest your mixing together. Like 5W30 and 10W30 you would end up with 7.5W30 if you used it 50/50.
Transmission oil in very general terms is a 10 weight oil.
In your case as long as you were using containers that specify they are backwards compatible (and they were) with dexron II or III, the mixing of fluids shouldn't be your problem.
Having said all that, I still find it bothersome that this all started exactly after you put in fresh fluid. I used to work in fleet maintenance and there is a bit of history on automatics having been "Power Flushed" and then starting to slip badly with high miles if they hadn't been serviced regularly previously.
There is always a chance the grit in the fluid was all that was holding it together but that's usually when you flush out all 9 quarts at once. You only pulled out 2.5 to 3.5 if you sucked it up through the stick. I'm pretty sure that's all that is sitting in the pan of our AW50-42 LEs
Without the transmission tripping a code I just don't know where else to go with this one.
You could always try this site and see if anyone has a red flag from the two fluids you mixed. These guys talk about oil the way I talk about a great steak or a fine woman, IN DETAIL !!
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...s.php?ubb=cfrm
Last edited by Kiss4aFrog; 02-19-2013 at 12:24 AM.
#36
My other favorite is they pull the trans drain plug and can't get the fill plug loose after it's empty or they just can't find it at all. Can you say tow truck ?? (Volvo autos don't have a fill plug)
Had one car pushed over from a fast lube shop where the "kid" drained the transmission, then pulled the plastic plug in the bell housing on a VW for the timing light and pumped in the oil on the top of the clutch Yup, they had to push it over because that poor clutch couldn't get a grip.
Last edited by Kiss4aFrog; 02-19-2013 at 12:19 PM.
#37
Hey man, I have seen the heading of this thread but hadn't read it because I don't know how to fix a tranny and I've been very busy.
My first question would be, how in the world do you syphon fluid up through the dip stick tube (and why would you do it that way)?
Other than that, there is a chance that the internal pump was damaged from that practice, or that it caused some kind of backwash or trapped some air in there. What I would do is a series of drains and fills as described in write ups here. Park the car on a level drive or slight downgrade. I usually drive my front wheels up on ramps. Then pull the drain plug. After the drain I add back 3.75 quarts. Drive 50 to 100 miles and repeat. Drive 50 to 100 miles and repeat. After the last refill, change the drain plug washer on the drain bolt. That should put your level back to it's proper level.
Hopefully that will un-stick anything that may be stuck in the tranny or unplug what may have been back washed.
Tranny's are sensitive and fluid flushes/changes do break the camels back sometimes but like Slim, I think you would have a code if something was actually broken.
My first question would be, how in the world do you syphon fluid up through the dip stick tube (and why would you do it that way)?
Other than that, there is a chance that the internal pump was damaged from that practice, or that it caused some kind of backwash or trapped some air in there. What I would do is a series of drains and fills as described in write ups here. Park the car on a level drive or slight downgrade. I usually drive my front wheels up on ramps. Then pull the drain plug. After the drain I add back 3.75 quarts. Drive 50 to 100 miles and repeat. Drive 50 to 100 miles and repeat. After the last refill, change the drain plug washer on the drain bolt. That should put your level back to it's proper level.
Hopefully that will un-stick anything that may be stuck in the tranny or unplug what may have been back washed.
Tranny's are sensitive and fluid flushes/changes do break the camels back sometimes but like Slim, I think you would have a code if something was actually broken.
#38
Just a suggestion, Kiss, you seem to have a ton of great pictures. How about posting one showing the trans drain plug. Like rspi said, I can't imagine why the fluid was sucked/syphoned out the fill tube? Seems to me several drain & fills should get it working if it isn't broke. As far as I can see it still hasn't been established that 262... has the correct amount, not that a quart either way would cause these symptoms? For the record I'm using Valvoline Max-Life and it's perfect. My 2 cents!!!
#39
Hey man, I have seen the heading of this thread but hadn't read it because I don't know how to fix a tranny and I've been very busy.
My first question would be, how in the world do you syphon fluid up through the dip stick tube (and why would you do it that way)?
Other than that, there is a chance that the internal pump was damaged from that practice, or that it caused some kind of backwash or trapped some air in there. What I would do is a series of drains and fills as described in write ups here. Park the car on a level drive or slight downgrade. I usually drive my front wheels up on ramps. Then pull the drain plug. After the drain I add back 3.75 quarts. Drive 50 to 100 miles and repeat. Drive 50 to 100 miles and repeat. After the last refill, change the drain plug washer on the drain bolt. That should put your level back to it's proper level.
Hopefully that will un-stick anything that may be stuck in the tranny or unplug what may have been back washed.
Tranny's are sensitive and fluid flushes/changes do break the camels back sometimes but like Slim, I think you would have a code if something was actually broken.
My first question would be, how in the world do you syphon fluid up through the dip stick tube (and why would you do it that way)?
Other than that, there is a chance that the internal pump was damaged from that practice, or that it caused some kind of backwash or trapped some air in there. What I would do is a series of drains and fills as described in write ups here. Park the car on a level drive or slight downgrade. I usually drive my front wheels up on ramps. Then pull the drain plug. After the drain I add back 3.75 quarts. Drive 50 to 100 miles and repeat. Drive 50 to 100 miles and repeat. After the last refill, change the drain plug washer on the drain bolt. That should put your level back to it's proper level.
Hopefully that will un-stick anything that may be stuck in the tranny or unplug what may have been back washed.
Tranny's are sensitive and fluid flushes/changes do break the camels back sometimes but like Slim, I think you would have a code if something was actually broken.
#40
Thank you for the new replies, I guess I will drain the fluid when I get a chance and refill with the same amount. I did check the level yesterday according the Volvo Way and it was good. Regarding the drain, isn't there a panel like a mud guard to remove first? Also, I think I need to get a new washer for the plug, correct?
Regarding the tranny, if something was broken, would it trigger a code / CEL? Could such a code be read with a normal OBDII reader?
For the record, the tranny is not leaking.
The idea of an air pocket in the tranny makes sense but remember that the car shifts properly, when I go from one gear to another, the shifting is smooth and nearly immediate, the only very slight roughness is when you go to R which I believe is normal.
Finally, why did I siphon fluid from the dipstick tube? Dunno.... because it works and since they sell pumps for that purpose, I tried... and thought it was not a big deal.
Regarding the tranny, if something was broken, would it trigger a code / CEL? Could such a code be read with a normal OBDII reader?
For the record, the tranny is not leaking.
The idea of an air pocket in the tranny makes sense but remember that the car shifts properly, when I go from one gear to another, the shifting is smooth and nearly immediate, the only very slight roughness is when you go to R which I believe is normal.
Finally, why did I siphon fluid from the dipstick tube? Dunno.... because it works and since they sell pumps for that purpose, I tried... and thought it was not a big deal.