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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 08:29 AM
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I've been searching the forums trying to find out as much info as possible and did come across some resourceful threads, but not many. The one thread I came across went from discussing another Member's possible purchase of an 850R to talking about GMC Cyclones/Typhoons.... LOL... Another thread kind of touched base on the miniscule exterior differences and the ECU, but nothing really further.

How "rare" is an 850R as opposed to the general population of 850's? Where they only produced in limited numbers, limited trim/color/options? If limited production, where they documented by any real figures or production run numbers?

How easy/hard is it to maintain an 850R over a regular production run 850?

What are the major or specific mechanical, suspension and/or other differences of an 850R?

Are the 850R engines any different from the regular production 850 engines and if so, what are those differences (cams, head, internal, pistons, etc...?)

What years where they produced from and to?

Where the 850R turbos any different from the regular turbo equipped 850's?

How come there is not an 850R subforum on this site?

Does the VIN # decode to an 850R (if so, how to tell)?



The reason I am asking is I found a 97 850R locally for sale. It is a sedan, with white exterior and it has a split black leather/suedeinterior. The odd thing I see too is that the wheels are the factory 5-spoke agressivestar design, however, they have a white accent in between the spokes that matches the exterior body color (is this a normal R feature)?

Some other visible or different features I see are:

taillights appears to have a black accenting outline around them

two toned rear deck lid spoiler, w/ integrated 3rd brake light. The spoilermatches exterior body color but has either black or gray strip on it above the 3rd brake light

single, chrome tipped exhaust outlet

140mph speedo w/ turbo gauge (is this just standard on all 850's w/ turbo)?

black mud flaps located behind front wheels at lower rocker area

windshield wipers on the headlights

front fascia or bumper cover has circular holes on either sides of what appear to be rectangular foglight holes w/ no foglights (from the pictures, I also do not see any lights inside of the circular holes - are there supposed to be any?)

tow hook protruding through passenger side rectangularhole

steering wheel is two toned - upper half is black leather, lower appears to be gray leather (or maybe leather is missing off the wheel?)

factory moonroof

rear seats have head rests w/ center arm rest, front seats appear to be heavily bolstered on the sides

850R badging on passenger side of decklid

leather wrapped auto shifter handle

full powered driver & passenger seats

looks to have premium sound system (CD, tape FM/AM)

looks to have many power features (windows, locks, etc)


The car appears to be in nice shape (no engine shots) for the year and accrued mileage (almost 150k). The asking price is lower than $7k (from what I read on the forums here, it seems nice used 850R's are anywhere from $10k down to about $5k, depending on overall condition & miles). Everything is in decent shape from the pics, including tread depth on tires, exterior & interior need a good detailing - it's very clean in & out, no damages at all, but just not "super clean".

What should I be looking for as far as pre-purchase inspection stuff? Is there any way to have someone search or look up the VIN # to see what type of prior maintenance or repair work was done (if any, at a Volvo Dealer)?

In the one pic of the dash cluster, there is a digital LCD readout below the speedo, which shows the mileage and a few other things, such as clock, outside air temp, etc. To the right of that readout, there is what appears to be a small "sun" or "*" with an LED next to it. This LED is lit up orange (or yellow) - what is that and what does it mean when it's lit?

How reliable is the 850R in good condition? How is the automatic transmission on these vehicles, meaning, does it have a high (or higher) failure rate being an auto trans as opposed to a manual? (The reason I am asking is Honda vehicles are notorious for auto trans failures - I'm trying to get an idea as to the durability of the Volvo trans)...

I've read up on some Volvo wear issues - such as the A/C system and ABS - are these the only major items to be concerned with? I'm not so concerned with A/C failure or it being inoperable, as windows & a sunroof are more than enough to keep cool while driving. The ABS, if it goes down or becomes inop, does this affect the drivability of the vehicle at all, or does it just render the ABS functions useless, but normal braking functions are intact?

With the current market being what it is, what is a fair price to pay for a 97 850R that is in very good condition (no accident history, no body damages on any sheet metal, no wear/tear on the interior and good mechanical condition)?

If there are any other links someone can include for me to read more about the 850R's, that would be great, as I want to read up some more and of course any other info that someone can post in this link would be excellent as well!

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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 10:25 AM
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The best person to answer your question is Moderator JimKW for rarity & value. Moderator Tech is the best person for the technical portion.


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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 01:13 PM
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Gosh you ask a lot of questions... I'll do my best to help...

I don't know that the 850R is a rare car, the 850 T5-R which was only produced for one year in limited numbers is the real rare breed. 850Rs never sold very well because not many people buy a high performance Volvo, hence Volvo is ending the R line in general.

Maintenance is about the same for the Turbo versions of the 850 series

Suspension was stiffer, slightly lower (IIRC), larger front and rear sway bars

The R engine (IIRC) is the same as the turbo engine, but they are different from the NA versions as they have piston and oil cooling.

The 850R was produced starting in the 96MY til the end of production in 97.

I don't think there is a difference in Turbos.

There is no 850R forum because they are so close to 850s

The VIN can be used to ID the engine, but I'm not sure which numbers do what.

Sounds like the 850R you found has paint added to the wheels.

The gauge cluster is standard for turbo models

I think the R came with fog lights, they also came with a special front facia.

If the ABS system dies normal braking is still present.

I don't think there is a lot of two toned stuff, but I could be wrong or just misunderstanding.
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 01:27 PM
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Thanks a lot JPN!

I can't answer all yourquestions, but you can search around here and get many answered. I really don't know how rare the 97 850 R is, but the 95 850 T5R is quite rare. I have a 97 850 R just like the one you are looking at. It's a pretty hard color combination to find. Now the 95 yellow T5R (my other one), there was on 187 of them imported to the US.

The R has the same engine as the regular Turbo or T5 850. The turbo is the same too, but there is a different chip in the computer which produces 240 HP instead of 222 on the regular Turbo model. You have named quite a few of the differences in your thread. The interior, the molded spoiler in the front, the two tone in the rear, the steering wheel etc. etc. Does not sound like that onehas the wheels that came on the 97 850 R. In my signature the white one has the standard wheels which are called Volans. It's a 7 spoke wheel.

The T5R was made in 95 only and the 850 R (basically a very similar car) was made in 96 and 97. The 95 only came in Black and Yellow and the 96/97's came only in Black, Red andWhite. In 96 they had two different shades of red, one being an orangeish red and the other a bright red. The interiorscame in tan and charcoal/black.

Most of the other stuff you mentioned is the same on the 850 T5 or Turbo. The headlight wipers are part of the winter package along with heated seats, and can be on any of the 850's. The R does have a power passenger seat while most other 850's only have it on the driver side unless ordered with bothwhen new.

Not much more I can tell. Maintenance is the same as any other 850, but it is much faster than the NA model and somewhat faster than the regular Turbo/T5 model, but basically the same car.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 06:33 PM
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Sorry Jim, didn't mean to throw it all on you but when it comes to R & T5-R, the first person that comes to my mind is you. And I was overwhelmed by the number of questions (yes, I, the longest postposter in the forum was intimidated[8D]).


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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 08:23 PM
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I've been searching the forums trying to find out as much info as possible and did come across some resourceful threads, but not many. The one thread I came across went from discussing another Member's possible purchase of an 850R to talking about GMC Cyclones/Typhoons.... LOL... Another thread kind of touched base on the miniscule exterior differences and the ECU, but nothing really further.

How "rare" is an 850R as opposed to the general population of 850's? Where they only produced in limited numbers, limited trim/color/options? If limited production, where they documented by any real figures or production run numbers?

I'm not sure that they were produced in limited numbers. Rather, since they're more expensive, they didn't sell as well.

How easy/hard is it to maintain an 850R over a regular production run 850?
It's the same as your average 850 Turbo.

What are the major or specific mechanical, suspension and/or other differences of an 850R?
30 extra seconds of "over boost" give it the 18 extra HP (240 instead of 222).
It came with stock 17" rims.
The springs/struts/shocks are slightly stiffer for better handling.
The seats are leather and suede.
The car has fog lights and a different spoiler.

Are the 850R engines any different from the regular production 850 engines and if so, what are those differences (cams, head, internal, pistons, etc...?)
I do not believe so. It's the same. The turbo is a 15g, just like the Turbo trim.

What years where they produced from and to?
Interesting question. I wanted to say all years, but now that I think about it, I have never seen a '93 or '94 R. I think they started in '95 with the T-5R and it later changed to the "R".

Where the 850R turbos any different from the regular turbo equipped 850's?
No, both use the 15g.
How come there is not an 850R subforum on this site?
It's pretty much the same car/

Does the VIN # decode to an 850R (if so, how to tell)?
Yes. The 6th and 7th digits are "58" if I remember correctly. "57" denotes a regular low pressure turbo.



The reason I am asking is I found a 97 850R locally for sale. It is a sedan, with white exterior and it has a split black leather/suedeinterior. The odd thing I see too is that the wheels are the factory 5-spoke agressivestar design, however, they have a white accent in between the spokes that matches the exterior body color (is this a normal R feature)?
Which wheels are these? Do you have pictures? If I remember correctly, the only wheels were the Titans (5 spoke design with very thick spokes) and Volans (8 spoke? With a little design on each spoke)
Some other visible or different features I see are:

taillights appears to have a black accenting outline around them

two toned rear deck lid spoiler, w/ integrated 3rd brake light. The spoilermatches exterior body color but has either black or gray strip on it above the 3rd brake light

single, chrome tipped exhaust outlet

140mph speedo w/ turbo gauge (is this just standard on all 850's w/ turbo)?

black mud flaps located behind front wheels at lower rocker area

windshield wipers on the headlights

front fascia or bumper cover has circular holes on either sides of what appear to be rectangular foglight holes w/ no foglights (from the pictures, I also do not see any lights inside of the circular holes - are there supposed to be any?)

tow hook protruding through passenger side rectangularhole

steering wheel is two toned - upper half is black leather, lower appears to be gray leather (or maybe leather is missing off the wheel?)

factory moonroof

rear seats have head rests w/ center arm rest, front seats appear to be heavily bolstered on the sides

850R badging on passenger side of decklid

leather wrapped auto shifter handle

full powered driver & passenger seats

looks to have premium sound system (CD, tape FM/AM)

looks to have many power features (windows, locks, etc)

Sounds right


The car appears to be in nice shape (no engine shots) for the year and accrued mileage (almost 150k). The asking price is lower than $7k (from what I read on the forums here, it seems nice used 850R's are anywhere from $10k down to about $5k, depending on overall condition & miles). Everything is in decent shape from the pics, including tread depth on tires, exterior & interior need a good detailing - it's very clean in & out, no damages at all, but just not "super clean".

What should I be looking for as far as pre-purchase inspection stuff? Is there any way to have someone search or look up the VIN # to see what type of prior maintenance or repair work was done (if any, at a Volvo Dealer)?

I don't know if anyone has an active carfax to check but if they do, maybe they could chime in.
As far as pre-purchase take a look at the forum stickies, there is a very very good thread concerning this subject.

In the one pic of the dash cluster, there is a digital LCD readout below the speedo, which shows the mileage and a few other things, such as clock, outside air temp, etc. To the right of that readout, there is what appears to be a small "sun" or "*" with an LED next to it. This LED is lit up orange (or yellow) - what is that and what does it mean when it's lit?
It means it's COLD! It comes on at 36 degrees and I forget how low it goes down to. It's just a warning light to tell you that there might be black ice. At some point, it's so cold, it's unnecessary to tell you.

How reliable is the 850R in good condition? How is the automatic transmission on these vehicles, meaning, does it have a high (or higher) failure rate being an auto trans as opposed to a manual? (The reason I am asking is Honda vehicles are notorious for auto trans failures - I'm trying to get an idea as to the durability of the Volvo trans)...
If everything is right. The motors/transmission are known to last longer than the car itself. They are pretty much bullet proof, but it's very meticulous about maintenance.

I've read up on some Volvo wear issues - such as the A/C system and ABS - are these the only major items to be concerned with? I'm not so concerned with A/C failure or it being inoperable, as windows & a sunroof are more than enough to keep cool while driving. The ABS, if it goes down or becomes inop, does this affect the drivability of the vehicle at all, or does it just render the ABS functions useless, but normal braking functions are intact? Not sure. But these are the "guarunteed" failures. There are some other common failures such as the fuel pump.

With the current market being what it is, what is a fair price to pay for a 97 850R that is in very good condition (no accident history, no body damages on any sheet metal, no wear/tear on the interior and good mechanical condition)? No clue. Check KBB.

If there are any other links someone can include for me to read more about the 850R's, that would be great, as I want to read up some more and of course any other info that someone can post in this link would be excellent as well!

Thanks!!
 
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 10:27 PM
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Thanks very much for the replies fellas! I'm still scouring over the forums in search of any or all info pertaining to 850R's... I don't know what else to search to zero in on more 850R topics, but I have tried "850R" and "850-R" as search words - anything else? LOL!

I did not mean to make the post intimidating - LMAO... sorry about that, I just had a bunch of questions and while typingI my fingers kept going as the thoughts kept coming!

As for the rims on this vehicle, I don't know the proper Volvo terminology for the rims - however, they are a true Volvo rim, it's the 5-spoke star, it looks like it's "twisted". The arms of the star are aggressive looking, as if they are moving in a forward motion. The rims are sometimes a silver argent color on other 850's - but these look to have a brushed or bare aluminum surface and the area in between each spoke has the exterior body color of the vehicle (in this instance, white). I'm not sure if this is something that the prior or current owner's did to the rims, or if they came that way from the factory..? I've seen other pics of other 850R's that have the other types of factory rims and it's definitely not either of those factory sets.

How are the turbos on these 850's = pretty stout, low maintenance and low failure rate?

 
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 10:55 PM
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Yes Phil, the turbochargers on 850s are robust, as long as proper oil condition & level are maintained at all times. I personally would go with full-synthetic 10W-30. The only known issue is that the oil return line leaks oil from the bottom seal, which is an easy job as long as you have access either to a ramp or a hydro jack + a pair of jackstands.

I feel that you're 80% set for an R or T5-R. These cars do have some problems, but with your knowledge I believe most can be repaired on your own. And considering value for the money, it is hard to find other cars at similar price.

If I had to spend $ on a used car, I wouldn't think twice on jumping on an R or T5-R, ONLY if one is properly serviced.


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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 11:39 PM
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Thanks very much for the replies fellas! I'm still scouring over the forums in search of any or all info pertaining to 850R's... I don't know what else to search to zero in on more 850R topics, but I have tried "850R" and "850-R" as search words - anything else? LOL!

I did not mean to make the post intimidating - LMAO... sorry about that, I just had a bunch of questions and while typingI my fingers kept going as the thoughts kept coming!

As for the rims on this vehicle, I don't know the proper Volvo terminology for the rims - however, they are a true Volvo rim, it's the 5-spoke star, it looks like it's "twisted". The arms of the star are aggressive looking, as if they are moving in a forward motion. The rims are sometimes a silver argent color on other 850's - but these look to have a brushed or bare aluminum surface and the area in between each spoke has the exterior body color of the vehicle (in this instance, white). I'm not sure if this is something that the prior or current owner's did to the rims, or if they came that way from the factory..? I've seen other pics of other 850R's that have the other types of factory rims and it's definitely not either of those factory sets.

How are the turbos on these 850's = pretty stout, low maintenance and low failure rate?

Hm.......The rims might be 16 inch Colombias. I'll post up a picture in a second. These are TURBO wheels, so I hope those wheels are wrapped in snow tires right now, or maybe you'd be buying from the 2nd owner.

The 15G is a pretty small mitsubishi turbo. One of the Evos also uses a 15g.

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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 08:19 AM
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RedTurbo850 -

Yes, the rims on the blue wagon aboveare the same style/type of rimson the 850R that I am looking at and possibly contemplating buying. Except where those rims on the wagon look to be completely powder coated silver (or argent) from the factory, the rims on this 850R I have seen, the surface & outer lip appears to be bare aluminum (not polished) and the "windows" in between the spokes are matched body color paint. So, maybe it's a "mod" either done by the current or possible prior owner of this vehicle.

What rims did come on an 850R as "standard"? I've seen multiple pictures from those of you who do own R's and it seems there is a variety of factory rims, whether optional or standard, I'm not sure how to tell.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 09:23 AM
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The wheels on the blue wagon came standard on the Turbo and were named Columbas. The wheels on my white car came standard on the R and are called Volans. If you look at Tech's signature you will see his yellow T5R which has the 17" five spoke wheels called the Titans and came standard only on the 95 T5R. The 6th and 7th position of the vin is 58 for the R or T5R and 57 for the Turbo model. In 97 they made a low pressure turbo model with a 56 in those positions.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 06:01 PM
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Mine are the 5 spoke. Actually not a good pic in my sig. so here is another one.
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