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Old Aug 22, 2015 | 10:28 AM
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They haven't changed much in that area, so I have no idea what you are talking about. I just replaced a head on a 2012 last week for the same thing.

I don't blame myself for everything. But I have no problem admitting fault. You hit something. Not Volvo. If Volvo would have told you it was an interference engine, would you have bought a different car? If so, you are the extreme minority. Plenty of people drive interference engine equipped cars without issue. It's easy if you maintain it and don't hit something.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2015 | 11:29 AM
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If I runover something the tire exploded, or the axle bent, ..., that's my fault; but if that caused the whole car body melt down and the car disappeared, I usually don't consider that as my fault.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2015 | 12:06 PM
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You hit something. It caused damage. Not Volvo's fault. The car didn't disappear.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2015 | 12:14 PM
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Yeah, insurance almost claimed total loss!
 
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Old Aug 22, 2015 | 12:33 PM
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BTW, the shop owner helped a dentist win a lawsuit against Volvo engine problems before and now he has free lifetime dental service...

This is called smart.
 

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Old Aug 22, 2015 | 12:49 PM
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That's a vague statement that doesn't mean anything with regard to people hitting objects causing damage.

If it's something like the XC90 V8 balance shaft issue, then yes, Volvo is at fault.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2015 | 12:59 PM
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It's not vague, it's loyalty.
You have to be really loyal to believe it's your fault when a small rock on the road total loss your whole car!
 
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Old Aug 23, 2015 | 09:11 AM
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I say vague because it does not mention what exactly happened. So some other conspiracy theorist can read it after running the car with no oil and say "See! Volvo engine problems are everywhere!"
 
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Old Aug 23, 2015 | 09:41 AM
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Well, the real conspiracy theorist will believe it's his fault if running the car with no oil and the transmission broke and the engine still runs perfectly!
 
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Old Aug 23, 2015 | 11:44 AM
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A similar example that may help you lose your loyalty completely:

Suppose Volvo put brake line too close to an engine belt without any protection. The driver didn't do any maintenance on the belt and didn't check the belt before he drives downhill. The belt breaks and cut off the brake line. He lost control and drove into the ocean...

Do you think his family will hold Volvo responsible and take them to court for this? I bet 100% they will and they will win too!

The reason is simple: it's Volvo who decided to put two completely independent, irrelevant, unrelated things together without proper separation/protection. And the poor guy lost his life because of it!

Now timing belt/mechanisms and AC compressor belt are also two completely independent, irrelevant, unrelated things! Do I need to tell you who decided to put them together without proper separation/protection?
 

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Old Aug 23, 2015 | 08:40 PM
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They timing belt and compressor belt are not two completely independent, irrelevant, unrelated things. They are both belt driven. Belts are driven by the crankshaft pulley. Both these belts are driven by the crankshaft pulley. There are plenty of cars that have both a timing belt and accessory belt(s). And when those driver's don't hit something, the belts are just fine.

But once again, you seem to think that it is some engineering flaw, like the tensioner without a pointless cutoff sensor or a crank sensor with two circuits running through it. The damage was caused by operator error. Plain and simple.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2015 | 05:09 AM
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Yeah, since you and your car are both driven by the same car, you and your car are not two completely independent, irrelevant, unrelated things...

Therefore, Volvo doesn't need to do anything to protect you. If anything happens to your car, you should be hurt or killed too (just like the engine)...

Blind loyalty does affect one's judgement, doesn't it?

Hint: a small metal plate with the right shape and mounted on the right spot on the engine block can effectively prevent the compressor belt from going into the timing area. It will cost less than $1.
 

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Old Aug 24, 2015 | 05:24 AM
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You will dream up an argument for anything, no matter how flawed it is. But I'm done. Just sell your Volvo and complain about your next car when you break it.

You would be the guy who sues McDonalds after spilling hot coffee on himself.
 

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Old Aug 24, 2015 | 05:34 AM
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Yeah, then you would be the guy who doesn't sue Volvo after a belt cut off the brake line...
 
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Old Aug 24, 2015 | 05:40 AM
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The belt I didn't maintain broke and since I installed your imaginary metal plate, the engine kept running and I crashed the car. So I'll sue you.
 

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Old Aug 24, 2015 | 07:19 PM
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Then the best outcome is you will be as wealthy as I am, which is not much...

Have a little bit higher expectation in life, will you?

BTW, if you didn't pay for my invention, then you can't sue.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2015 | 10:07 PM
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I had a P1 in the air and took a nice close look at the crank pulley and the corresponding shields. Good luck with your invention. It's about as sealed as it can get.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2015 | 07:37 AM
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Well, you missed the point again: it's not the seal, it's because it's cheap plastic!


The shredded compressor belt can easily break the plastic cover and get into the timing belt. I saw those plastic pieces in the pan.


Do I need to tell you what will happen if there is a metal piece there?
 
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Old Aug 25, 2015 | 09:20 AM
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Haha okay. Good luck.
 

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Old Sep 14, 2015 | 08:38 AM
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After more than a couple of weeks and more than $6K, I finally got my C70 back and it runs great!
They pretty much replaced everything: timing/all belts/tensioners, water pump, spark plugs/coils, they even replaced one whole axle just because the boot on it was broken and insurance paid.
So I am very happy with my insurance company and decided to help them get their money back from Volvo.
The only thing we need to prove is: Volvo knew the problem and didn't make any reasonable effort to correct it.
Here is how this part looks like:





You can see there is nothing between the front AC pulley and the timing pulley: so debris can get in timing area easily.
 

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