S90 Air Conditioner Issue
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S90 Air Conditioner Issue
I have a 1997 S90. I bought the car new. The air conditioner has always cut out under heavy acceleration. Yes, I know it is designed that way. I would like to disable this feature. I live in Austin TX and in the summer it is quite annoying to lose my air conditioning when I accelerate or go up hill.
I almost exclusively use the car in town now. When I used the car on the highway it was not an issue, but in stop and go town traffic, especially in the hilly area that I live, it is a problem.
Is there a simple, or even fairly complicated way to disable the feature. I am retired high tech so working with electronics is fine with me.
Thanks for your help.
Bill
I almost exclusively use the car in town now. When I used the car on the highway it was not an issue, but in stop and go town traffic, especially in the hilly area that I live, it is a problem.
Is there a simple, or even fairly complicated way to disable the feature. I am retired high tech so working with electronics is fine with me.
Thanks for your help.
Bill
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I'm to cheap to push my throttle often. I usually only floor it to get out of someone's way or to avoid an accident, but I still have not noticed any blower lag. My guess is that it's a vacuum problem. The old 740's have some vacuum billows behind the firewall inside the car that would crack and cause a simular problem. I hope that's not it but look into vacuum.
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I serviced the freon on the A/C. The system was if pretty good shape but I topped off the freon any way. The system was cooling well when it is on so I expected that the freon charge was not the issue.
After top off there was not an appreciable change, the A/C stops when I accelerate.
Any more help would be appreciated. I have not done a thorough test of the vacuum system yet, but it is next on the list.
Thanks for the help so far.
After top off there was not an appreciable change, the A/C stops when I accelerate.
Any more help would be appreciated. I have not done a thorough test of the vacuum system yet, but it is next on the list.
Thanks for the help so far.
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Does the blower fan's speed change accordingly when you select 1 thru 4? Does the air-flow change direction when you accelerate?
What are your refrigerant pressures?
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Looks like no one cares but in the OPs comments he mentioned that both the compressor kicks out and the blower fan speed drops off.
The clutch should only cut out at WOT and the blower to the best of my knowledge isn't affected but when I plant my foot to the floor the blower is the last thing I'm thinking of.
I'm wondering if he's having a problem with the amount of voltage/current and for some reason it's dropping low enough for the AC clutch magnet to lose hold ??
The clutch should only cut out at WOT and the blower to the best of my knowledge isn't affected but when I plant my foot to the floor the blower is the last thing I'm thinking of.
I'm wondering if he's having a problem with the amount of voltage/current and for some reason it's dropping low enough for the AC clutch magnet to lose hold ??
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Unusual symptoms, but a couple of comments from my experience with 16 years on our S90.
The A/C magnetic clutch assembly does wear over time (our earlier Ford Taurus was much worse for this) and the fix is to pull the outer plate that actually drives the compressor and adjust it. The clutch is designed for a small air gap when not energized and with wear from cutting in and out the gap gets too wide for the magnet to pull in the outer plate reliably. The fix is to change the spacer washers to decrease the gap (Volvo sells several washers for this).
In general I've seen this show up with the A/C working fine when the car just starting cold, but it will stop working after some driving on hot days (when you really need it). The clutch design on our Taurus (Nippon Denso compressor) was so bad that I had to re-shim it about every 20k miles vs once on our S90 at about 100k miles. On both the Taurus and the Volvo this can be done without removing the compressor, so no need to purge the A/C system, etc. Note, on the old cars the compressor was engaged once when the A/C was turned on instead of the current system that cycles the compressor to save fuel. Simply observe the compressor cycling and consider how many times the clutch cycles for each mile driven.
With regard to vacuum leaks, these caused me a lot of trouble with getting the OBD monitors to complete their tests as required before CA will do a SMOG test. After finding a couple of bad fittings, I simply went through the parts book at a dealer changed them all (about $120 worth of Volvo parts). In general you need Volvo parts because the fittings often go from a line at one OD (blue plastic things, etc.) that connects to a actuator that uses another OD.
Getting back to the original problem, I note that there are several of these fittings associated with the A/C, in general located above the receiver/dryer and there are also some check valves (little plastic things) in the area as well. To see how bad these might be, just feel a couple of the fittings for the A/C as those in our our car would simply crumble after 10-12 years in the LA air. Without vacuum the A/C probably will not open some of the internal flaps that adjust the air outlets as requested by the automated control (or possible you get a "none" state).
The A/C magnetic clutch assembly does wear over time (our earlier Ford Taurus was much worse for this) and the fix is to pull the outer plate that actually drives the compressor and adjust it. The clutch is designed for a small air gap when not energized and with wear from cutting in and out the gap gets too wide for the magnet to pull in the outer plate reliably. The fix is to change the spacer washers to decrease the gap (Volvo sells several washers for this).
In general I've seen this show up with the A/C working fine when the car just starting cold, but it will stop working after some driving on hot days (when you really need it). The clutch design on our Taurus (Nippon Denso compressor) was so bad that I had to re-shim it about every 20k miles vs once on our S90 at about 100k miles. On both the Taurus and the Volvo this can be done without removing the compressor, so no need to purge the A/C system, etc. Note, on the old cars the compressor was engaged once when the A/C was turned on instead of the current system that cycles the compressor to save fuel. Simply observe the compressor cycling and consider how many times the clutch cycles for each mile driven.
With regard to vacuum leaks, these caused me a lot of trouble with getting the OBD monitors to complete their tests as required before CA will do a SMOG test. After finding a couple of bad fittings, I simply went through the parts book at a dealer changed them all (about $120 worth of Volvo parts). In general you need Volvo parts because the fittings often go from a line at one OD (blue plastic things, etc.) that connects to a actuator that uses another OD.
Getting back to the original problem, I note that there are several of these fittings associated with the A/C, in general located above the receiver/dryer and there are also some check valves (little plastic things) in the area as well. To see how bad these might be, just feel a couple of the fittings for the A/C as those in our our car would simply crumble after 10-12 years in the LA air. Without vacuum the A/C probably will not open some of the internal flaps that adjust the air outlets as requested by the automated control (or possible you get a "none" state).
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Bob_fromLA, that's fascinating. I'm actually having that exact issue with my 2001 V70 - the AC works ok when the car is cold, but within a few minutes it shuts off (seems to quit faster the hotter it is outside). What I've found is that I can turn off the AC (hey, it isn't working anyway) and after a few minutes if I turn it back on, it will work again for a short period of time. If I don't wait long enough, it won't re-engage. I wonder if this is the same issue...
At any rate, if I were to check into this, how would I go about determining whether the air gap in the compressor is too small and needs to be shimmed? Is this something worth doing myself? I have a set of gages / recharge manifold, and the refrigerant pressure seems to be okay...
At any rate, if I were to check into this, how would I go about determining whether the air gap in the compressor is too small and needs to be shimmed? Is this something worth doing myself? I have a set of gages / recharge manifold, and the refrigerant pressure seems to be okay...
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Here is some info on shimming.
https://volvoforums.com/forum/volvo-...shimming-6665/
http://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/for...hp?f=1&t=39209
https://volvoforums.com/forum/volvo-...shimming-6665/
http://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/for...hp?f=1&t=39209
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