Timing Belt Jumped ??
#21
Last edited by hoonk; 02-12-2021 at 01:40 PM.
#22
TY, while I am waiting on a bore scope to arrive I will check the timing. I have watched a few videos on the removal procedure. I did brakes, replaced the spindles, and the AC & Serp belts I have been in ther4e that far. I have plenty of tools, pullers. Built engines and done frame off restorations. Let me get in there and see if the timing is oof, sure it is. It's kind of weird, when I took those pictures the belt had a1/2 inch ply but after turning over quick to see if the cams were moving it got tight againg with close to no play. I may be a few days as I am working outside and it's raining here in WNC. TY so much.
#25
** Looks like the AC / Alt belt shredded and jumped the timing as I found that inside the timing cover.
** Looks like the cams may be off by a tooth.
** Have not got bottom cover off to see crank timing yet
** Bore Scope comes tomorrow.
Probably a head job and replace all the timing belt stuff.
TY for your help. It really helps to have someone in the know.
TY
Jim
** Looks like the cams may be off by a tooth.
** Have not got bottom cover off to see crank timing yet
** Bore Scope comes tomorrow.
Probably a head job and replace all the timing belt stuff.
TY for your help. It really helps to have someone in the know.
TY
Jim
#28
Question??? What is the best way to lock the engine so I can get the Harmonic Balancer / Pulley Nut Loose.
Question??? The engine mount bolts are real tight, I tried changing the amount the engine is lifted but it is still turns tight after at least 2 full turns out???? the right side lower is off but left is the tight one.
TY
JIm
Question??? The engine mount bolts are real tight, I tried changing the amount the engine is lifted but it is still turns tight after at least 2 full turns out???? the right side lower is off but left is the tight one.
TY
JIm
#29
? I always used a impact wrench to get the big nut loose. Some engines have a slot below the flywheel starter teeth, you can jam a large screwdriver and keep the engine from spinning that way - might take 2 people if the car is on jackstands.
And Those engine mount bolts can seize, strip out, or break
And Those engine mount bolts can seize, strip out, or break
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#31
Put a socket with pull handle, or long wrench on nut (securely as possible) and engage starter - pull handle/long racket/long wrench handle will contact something firm or not - if handle placed just right - it will loosen the nut. If not the tool falls off. If you can get it positioned correctly - it will work, has never failed for me at least. Obviously don't let any human parts get near the pull handle/wrench when you are doing this.
Thinking about a Volvo the lower control arm is firm enough for the pull handle to swing and hit - but from memory is at an angle and will tend to push the socket off.
With normal front engine cars there is usually a frame rail for the bar to whack against.
I would not use heat on the crankshaft. - but you will probably be eventually replacing the crank seal anyway - the oil pump is right behind the front engine seal. The motor mount bolts may end up broken or stripped or a damaged bracket. Had to deal with that several times.
Last edited by hoonk; 02-24-2021 at 11:47 AM.
#32
TY for reminding me of the starter trick. If I recall once the socket with handle sre wedged the starter will unscrew the bolt? I presume the starter turns the corect way and the nut is not a reverse thread.
I will just have to attack the mount and if they break drill it out and replace.
The Bore Scope was delayed due to the weather hope it arrives today.
Putting the Automatic in drive will not lock it up also?
TY
JIm
I will just have to attack the mount and if they break drill it out and replace.
The Bore Scope was delayed due to the weather hope it arrives today.
Putting the Automatic in drive will not lock it up also?
TY
JIm
#33
The auto tranny won't lock anything, sorry.
One old shadetree trick is to pull a plug and rotate that cylinder so the piston's all the way down, then feed in as much thin rope (anything that'll fit through the spark plug hole), and turn the crank bolt counterclockwise (as in removing the bolt). This will compress the rope until it stops the engine rotating. To remove the rope, you'll have to replace the bolt and rotate the crank enough to let go of the rope.
Or you could break down and buy the right tool (always my last resort)...
One old shadetree trick is to pull a plug and rotate that cylinder so the piston's all the way down, then feed in as much thin rope (anything that'll fit through the spark plug hole), and turn the crank bolt counterclockwise (as in removing the bolt). This will compress the rope until it stops the engine rotating. To remove the rope, you'll have to replace the bolt and rotate the crank enough to let go of the rope.
Or you could break down and buy the right tool (always my last resort)...
#34
Nope, jamming a screwdriver in the starter teeth on the flywheel through the slot (if available) will work - but takes 2 people working under the car.
You don't have to take the crank pulley off to see the timing marks - (you keep mentioning your borescope, as in not diagnosed yet)
#35
We know that it jumped timing since I fund part of the Alt / AC Belt in the timing cover. I though the pulley had to be off. I was thinking the bore scope could also go down and see the crank timing.
I got the 2 piece engine mount off, got the confidence if it breaks I fix it.
Let me see if I can see the crank timing, from below??? I f I can just move the cams back I guess to see if it starts ?? It's a part and I got a timing belt kit sitting..
Bore Scope to see if pistons are marked by Valves hitting.
I didn't think there was anyway to diag without tearing into it a bit??
Any feedback is much appceciated.
Oh Yeah the starter crank pulley trick bent the Craftsman 1/2" Socket bar thing. It's on there tight. I think it was a flood car up to the doors. Evberything has been hard to break, doing brakes, Spindle/Bearing replacment.
I got the 2 piece engine mount off, got the confidence if it breaks I fix it.
Let me see if I can see the crank timing, from below??? I f I can just move the cams back I guess to see if it starts ?? It's a part and I got a timing belt kit sitting..
Bore Scope to see if pistons are marked by Valves hitting.
I didn't think there was anyway to diag without tearing into it a bit??
Any feedback is much appceciated.
Oh Yeah the starter crank pulley trick bent the Craftsman 1/2" Socket bar thing. It's on there tight. I think it was a flood car up to the doors. Evberything has been hard to break, doing brakes, Spindle/Bearing replacment.
#36
Crank timing marks are visible (but very difficult to see sometimes) from the top. The pulley will need to be off to replace the belt - but I think I've heard of those done without crank pulley removal
Last edited by hoonk; 02-24-2021 at 03:56 PM.
#38
Mr HOONK
Weather has been cold but got 65 and Sunny today.. Took some pictures of the timing gear, still have NOT got that pulley to budge even using the starter. I figure if I can get the crank on the timing mark and then be able to correct the cam timing and it starts. I am happy as it is a temporary Station Wagon I bought to haul stukk, a rebuilt title car. Anyway do you see anything here???
Weather has been cold but got 65 and Sunny today.. Took some pictures of the timing gear, still have NOT got that pulley to budge even using the starter. I figure if I can get the crank on the timing mark and then be able to correct the cam timing and it starts. I am happy as it is a temporary Station Wagon I bought to haul stukk, a rebuilt title car. Anyway do you see anything here???
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#40
1 more question. What piston would be TDC when in timing or timing. I figure that will get it close to where it needs to be. Right?? My classic Mini engines I bring #1 to TDC in order to do the very fine cam timing. For this it's more of in the ballpark but it would get thje timing mark close right? The Gear picture shows me it is on the side, not sure if I can see that or not, using the endoscope to get in there.to see.
Last edited by Jim Sperry; 03-09-2021 at 01:13 PM.