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Old 06-24-2020, 02:30 PM
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okay so recently my breaks have gotten really squishy and go to the floor and sometimes holds the pressure and sometimes doesn’t i think it’s a bad master cylinder because i don’t see any visual leaks and so i bled the brakes today in case somehow an air bubble has made its way into the system and all bled really good except the passenger rear which i can not get all the air out of it i want to make sure it’s bled good and properly before i replace the master cylinder to make sure i’m not wasting money all the help is appreciated
 
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Old 06-24-2020, 02:34 PM
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Did you try a power bleeder? That will really help, particularly when you are doing the master (which my bet is ready to be replaced - particularly if you have no signs of leaks at any of the wheels or long lines.
 
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Old 06-24-2020, 03:18 PM
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i haven’t tried one yet i was trying to find someone i know with one so i can borrow it and i don’t care to replace the master it’s just if i don’t need to i won’t and also i saw a little bit of fluid on the lines when i was bleeding them but i sprayed brake cleaner prior to seeing it so im waiting to see if it was cleaner or fluid
 
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you don't mention what car this is for, but if it has ABS, bleeding is more complicated and takes longer.
 
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Old 06-24-2020, 06:18 PM
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sorry my bad it’s a 1991 240 without abs i’m pretty sure
 
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Old 06-24-2020, 06:33 PM
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if it has ABS, there would be a pretty obvious block of metal, plastic, and pipes clearly labeled ABS, in the engine compartment just aft of the battery or the airbox.... like this...




 
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Old 06-24-2020, 06:37 PM
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oh, pre ABS 240's have a 'dual triangular' braking system, there's *SIX* brake circuits you have to bleed, two at each front wheel, and one at each rear.

the ABS cars have a standard dual diagonal braking system, with just 4 total circuits.
 
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mine has 8 bleed valves? one on each rear and 3 on the front calipers and mine is not abs
 
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mine has 8 bleed valves? one on each rear and 3 on the front calipers and mine is not abs
Huh, the pre ABS 240s I've seen only had 2 bleeders on each front, one for each brake circuit.
 
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i could be wrong but i have three on each front it could be something else but i could have sworn it’s three bleeder valves
 
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You are not wrong. The late 240 with ABS have only one bleed valve, the earlier non ABS have the multiple valves...
 
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Old 06-28-2020, 01:32 PM
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ok thanks do you know how to bleed them i would assume PR DR PF DF but on the front calipers what order would i do the bleeder valves
 
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Old 06-28-2020, 02:24 PM
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good stuff here, if your front brake calibers have the dual hoses, follow the non-ABS instructions.

https://www.volvoclub.org.uk/faq/Bra...FluidSelection
  • Bleed master cylinder first
  • On Volvo models with 3 bleeder screws on the front calipers: LR, LF top, RR, RF top, LF two bottom bleeders, RF two bottom bleeders (per Bentley)
  • Highly recommended: use a pressure bleeder as noted below at Brake Pressure Bleeder

 
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