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Replaced PCV Oil Trap, now car won't start P0171 and P0174

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Old Jun 28, 2022 | 11:09 AM
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Default Replaced PCV Oil Trap, now car won't start P0171 and P0174

Car was whistling, and saw there was a broken diaphragm. Replaced diaphragm and car sounded and ran normally a few short trips. Next day, car cranked but would not start and got these two codes. It was weird, as I turned ignition on, it seemed to "catch" and crank by itself for a few seconds. I installed a completed new trap- same issue. Cleaned MAF- same issue.
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Old Jun 28, 2022 | 09:29 PM
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Just my 2 cents JT I had the whistling Pcv symtom and I had those same codes before I replaced the trap. The whistling stopped but those codes are still there, though one turned yellow. My car runs fine though. If your engine doesn't start it may have a vacuum leak from something you moved or a crack hose or the gasket got kinked or the bolts may not be torqed right. Otherwise may be coincident with another problem wiring maybe? good luck!
 
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Old Jun 29, 2022 | 12:44 PM
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you didn't mention which engine you have but the P0171 and P0174 are pointing to a lean fuel trim fault. Given your recent work suggests you have an intake air leak - possibly in the PCV hoses etc. Here's a general list of causes. I'd probably rule out the O2 sensor, fuel injectors etc and focus on air leaks and the PCV plumbing.
  • Intake air leaks
  • Faulty front heated oxygen sensor
  • Ignition misfiring
  • Faulty fuel injectors
  • Exhaust gas leaks
  • Incorrect fuel pressure
  • Lack of fuel
  • Faulty Mass Air Flow (MAF) sensor
  • Incorrect Positive Crankcase Ventilation (PCV) hose connection
 
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Old Jun 30, 2022 | 10:06 PM
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thanks for the replies. I ruled out the MAF. I don't know how my new Oil Trap could be letting in enough air to not start, but I may go back and try to torque it to specs (I think I read 14ftlbs somewhere?)

It seems to me it may not be getting fuel. I'm going to try some starting fluid and see if it fires up. Should I hear the fuel pump when someone turns key on? I was listening at the fuel tank underneath, and in the fill hole, and could hear nothing.

Lastly, is there a common relay fuse or something for this that I could try replacing? The fuel pump never seemed to give me any issues so not sure it would all of a sudden go out, and thought maybe there was an electrical issue. Also, I read about PEM being a common failure. Anything related to fuel, I appreciate help. Dont know how else to test for vacuum leaks other than a visual. THANK YOU!
 
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